--thanks, that sums it up pretty well, although nobody (even Ron's Guru) says there's not a body/mind after realization. One can define that body/mind (even though realized as inseparable from pure Consciousness); as the I or me; thus saving "one" the ridiculous choice of going around saying "this one". Thus, the existence of the body/mind is not in contention.
- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of Bronte Baxter > > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 7:32 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The fallacy is that > > a *Me* can Gain > > Realization > > > > > > > > Christ said "I and the Father are One" where is the > > two in that? > > > > > > > > They are one but they are also two, as a branch can > > say "I am the tree" and > > still be a branch. You can experience being one with > > the Infinite yet an > > individual at the same time. > > > > And I suspect that's how everyone who experiences it > > experiences it. > > Including these people who say there is no longer a > > me. Hit the thumb with a > > hammer. Someone or something feels an aversion to > > that pain. > > Let me riff off of your comment, Rick. The ego and > consciousness are two completely separate "things". > Prior to Realization there is a confound between > consciousness and the mind: consciousness is projected > into and identifies with mind. Out of this results an > ego; a felt quality of bounded, separate > individuality. This is a result of consciousness > becoming the boundary that it is projected into. The > condition of ignorance is simply that the > unrestricted, unlimited, non-relative nature of > consciousness is lost to the consciousness of > limitations; space/time boundaries. Realization is > very simply the cessation of this > projection/identification with anything limited. In my > experience of 20 years ago coming out of the dome, > consciousness very quickly stopped this projection and > foundationally shifted from a distinct ego to > no-boundary. "I" did not experience the > no-boundary,"I" was no longer "there" in any sort of > experiential form. When the mind tried to find that > familiar felt sense of "me" there was absolutely > nothing there. I was and continue to be the same > person as before. Same sense of humor, same interests, > same habits,etc., etc.. I contend that people > profoundly misunderstand statements from Realized > people when they speak of having no "I". They are not > talking about any aspect of the mind or emotions. They > are talking about the localization of consciousness. > Realization is the cessation of this localization. The > localization creates the ego; the individual, > psychological "me". The first step of Realization is > CC or Kaivalya ala Patanjali, the fruit of Yoga, is > this cessation of projection and the clear recognition > that one's consciousness, what one "is" is not > localized. Everything is the same as before, but now > there is no localization of a "me". Quiz on Wednesday. > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1040 - > > Release Date: 9/30/2007 > > 9:01 PM > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC >
