--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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>
> --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Bronte Baxter
> > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 7:32 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The fallacy is that
> > a *Me* can Gain
> > Realization
> >
> >
> >
> > Christ said "I and the Father are One" where is the
> > two in that?
> >
> >
> >
> > They are one but they are also two, as a branch can
> > say "I am the tree" and
> > still be a branch. You can experience being one with
> > the Infinite yet an
> > individual at the same time.
> >
> > And I suspect that's how everyone who experiences it
> > experiences it.
> > Including these people who say there is no longer a
> > me. Hit the thumb with a
> > hammer. Someone or something feels an aversion to
> > that pain.
>
> Let me riff off of your comment, Rick. The ego and
> consciousness are two completely separate "things".
> Prior to Realization there is a confound between
> consciousness and the mind: consciousness is projected
> into and identifies with mind. Out of this results an
> ego; a felt quality of bounded, separate
> individuality. This is a result of consciousness
> becoming the boundary that it is projected into. The
> condition of ignorance is simply that the
> unrestricted, unlimited, non-relative nature of
> consciousness is lost to the consciousness of
> limitations; space/time boundaries. Realization is
> very simply the cessation of this
> projection/identification with anything limited. In my
> experience of 20 years ago coming out of the dome,
> consciousness very quickly stopped this projection and
> foundationally shifted from a distinct ego to
> no-boundary. "I" did not experience the
> no-boundary,"I" was no longer "there" in any sort of
> experiential form. When the mind tried to find that
> familiar felt sense of "me" there was absolutely
> nothing there. I was and continue to be the same
> person as before. Same sense of humor, same interests,
> same habits,etc., etc.. I contend that people
> profoundly misunderstand statements from Realized
> people when they speak of having no "I". They are not
> talking about any aspect of the mind or emotions. They
> are talking about the localization of consciousness.
> Realization is the cessation of this localization. The
> localization creates the ego; the individual,
> psychological "me". The first step of Realization is
> CC or Kaivalya ala Patanjali, the fruit of Yoga, is
> this cessation of projection and the clear recognition
> that one's consciousness, what one "is" is not
> localized. Everything is the same as before, but now
> there is no localization of a "me". Quiz on Wednesday.
>
Probably the clearest explanation of what happens to consciousness
when...that I have ever read!:-)
