On Oct 1, 2007, at 11:50 AM, authfriend wrote:
It's right there in front of both our noses, Sal.
It's in the third paragraph of your quote from
Barry's post, as we'll see.
He does mention the word, Judy, in reference to the trips he felt that
MS was attempting to lay on the women who chose abortion.
And then there could be physical aftermaths as well.
Maybe "painful" is too loaded a word, but all sorts
of things could make it a not-so-wonderful experience.
One thing is near-certain in most cases, and that it
is not a walk in the park, as you would like everyone to
believe so you can once again dump on someone.
Nowhere did I suggest it was a "walk in the park" or
a "wonderful" experience. You made those up.
What I said in my earlier post (did you read it?) was
that there was no basis for its being a *traumatic*
experience unless the woman had really wanted to bring
the fetus to term.
If the father is "AWOL" and that's emotionally
distressing to the woman, that's a problem with the
relationship, not with the abortion.
Never said it was a problem with the abortion itself, but it most
definitely can be a problem with the whole experience, of which the
abortion is only a part, especially if she has no $$ to pay for it.
My point is that in most cases, what makes having
an abortion emotionally difficult is the guilt-and-
shame factor, which has, IMHO, *no* rational basis
whatsoever. It's something that's been imposed and
encouraged by the antichoice folks.
I agree. But it's also nice, I would think, to have some support from
*someone* at the time. And whatever distressing factors play into the
whole thing couldn't be terribly powerful, seeing as how over a million
women a year in this country alone somehow manage to counteract them
and have abortions. So whatever the rightwingnuts have been trying to
impose has not been very successful, hence their constant threats to
try and dismantle it.
To counter the "wanton disregard for the fetus" canard
by invoking the emotional distress caused by abortion,
as Barry did, is to cite *one* spurious reason for
opposing abortion against the *other* spurious
reason for opposing abortion, putting the woman right
between a rock and a hard place and handing the
argument to the antichoicers.
YEah, if that's what he was doing. But it wasn't, IMO.
because it's *inherently* difficult, it's because
the antichoicers have *made* it difficult. Barry
tacitly acknowledges this in the case of the women
he consoled by claiming that one of the ways he
could be helpful was not to "judge" the women.
What is there to judge other than "wanton disregard
for the fetus," on the one hand, or guilt on the
other? Barry insists it wasn't the first, so it
could only have been the second.
Sal
