--- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" 
> <jflanegi@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> 
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Oct 6, 2007, at 7:37 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Just for the record, Henry Louie was Joni's manager (or 
> was 
> > > it  
> > > > > > > recording engineer, Turq?). Henry and his wife Nadine 
> were 
> > > > > > > close to  MMY in the early days. I once heard a story 
that
> > > > > > > some starry-eyed fan got close enough to Joni (who 
> learned 
> > > TM 
> > > > > > > at some point) to say "Jai Guru Dev" and that Joni's 
> > > response 
> > > > > > > was "Fuck you."
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Not surprising since one of her friends, Alan Ginsberg had
> > > > > > discovered and exposed the Maharishi's phoniness many 
years 
> > ago
> > > > > > (and IIRC correctly, Ginsberg published it in a 
newspaper).
> > > > > >
> > > > > I heard Alan Ginsberg say just the opposite, that Maharishi 
> is 
> > > > > supremely enlightened and nothing phony about him at all, 
> that 
> > > the 
> > > > > phoniness others see in Maharishi is just a reflection of 
> their 
> > > own 
> > > > > phoniness. Oh wait, you cite your references first...:-)
> > > > 
> > > > No problem:
> > > > 
> > > > http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dg6n6657_59c8ftjw
> > > > 
> > > > As you'll see, he sure discovered and exposed 
> > > > MMY's phoniness, all right.
> > > > 
> > > > <guffaw>
> > > >
> > > Now that I've read Alan Ginsberg's breathless expose of 
> Maharishi's 
> > > phoniness, I'll come clean: Vaj and I both made up what we said 
> out 
> > > of thin air, and I do mean thin... Interesting that Vaj takes 
the 
> > > word of someone who before trying Maharishi's meditation just 
> > > writes it off. Synergy? Nah.:-)
> > 
> > Ginsberg *didn't* write it off, though. He didn't
> > care for the hype surrounding MMY, and he didn't
> > think much of MMY's political opinions, but he
> > said the idea of everybody meditating makes sense,
> > but that he couldn't judge the method because he
> > hadn't tried it.
> > 
> > I'm quite sure Vaj *did* see the article. He just
> > chose to lie about it. You know, speaking of
> > exposing phonies.
> 
> He can see it here if he cares:  http://tinyurl.com/2v2em5

Yes, I had already posted the URL above.


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