--There's no "false ego" in Enlightenment; i.e. a delusional "I" associated with identification with mind, at the core of one's psyche. In spite of the vanishing act that eradicates the delusional "I"; evidence bears out the existence of other types of delusions, especially those pertaining to the Guru's notion of self-importance; and here the term "self" applies to "body-mind". Your own Guru admits that there's a body-mind after Enlightenment. I read some of your messages. That body-mind is fully capable of the most egregious, grandious, "Emperor/Empress - with no clothes" types of delusions; e.g. Bevan, and your Guru in particular, who seems to be infatuated with herself. Besides, I dont' see any new information coming from her. OK, she's Enlightened, what does she want, a medal?
- In [email protected], "Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "BillyG." <wgm4u@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ron" <sidha7001@> wrote: > > > > > > Om Namo Narayan > > > > > > Sahaja means effortless and continuous - > > > (not simply the result of being in sitting meditation) > > > This is rather a continous state of Consciousness versus > > > an experience that comes and goes. > > > > > > Sarvikalpa - is still having an identity but it is merged > > > in Oneness. Being One > > > > > > Nirvikalpa - is no me remaining - Simply IS. One does > > > not percieve any story any longer it is over. There is only > > > Pure Awareness without any attributes layered over. > > > IN Nirvikalpa Sahaja there are no longer rising thoughts > > > and oneness has dissolved into 0 point balance. > > > > > > Maha Shanti > > > > Sri Ramakrishna describes this distinction very well: "Savikalpa > > Samadhi was compared by Sri Ramakrishna to a cotton doll which when > > put in water gets saturated with it, and Nirvikalpa Samadhi to a doll > > of salt which when immersed in water dissolves and loses itself in it. > > Nirvikalpa is the higher..." > > > > It reminds me of the saying by Christ Jesus that: "Whoever finds his > > life (ego) will lose it (Cosmic Awareness), and whoever loses his life > > (litte ego) for my sake will find it (Cosmic Consciousness). > > Little ego? as in small self? ego will do, there is no ego and enlightenment existing at the > same time. > > You left out sahaja- in both cases with savikalpa and nirvikalpa, it will be different if the > sahahja is either there or not. So Realization is Nirvalkalpa sahaja samadi. > > Sarvikalpa sahaja samadi while an exalted state has the "me" there. There is further to go > yet this is a place one may stop in their journey. This again is a situation where when one > is with a Guru resting in Realization, they will know where the disciple is at and then guide > them to completion. This again is also the significance in knowing that the Guru is > enlightened because they are only capable to take one as far as they themselves are. > > My Guru had this state and was ready to stop, it was only because of her Guru that she > continued as instructed. Sarvikalpa sahaja Samadi is a very attractive place saturated in > bliss. > > Here is an answer to a question from the newest enlightened in our group, resting in > nirvakalpa shaja samadhi since 7 days ago: > > Namaste all, > > While reading through the posts a question popped up. In the realized > state how do you feel about your loved ones? Do you feel as attached > to them as before or do you now have a different love for them that is > more detached? I am trying to understand how now you are feeling one > with the everyone and everything in the world, how you could chose one > person over another to spend your life with. Would you not love all > people the same? > > I am not even sure my question makes sense, but hopefully someone will > get the gist of it. > > Amy > > Namaste Amy > > You love them more than they have been loved, All IS love as all love itself. There is no > *me* to enter in the act of loving, Love IS. Only responsibility to them no attachment and > family remains as is, all is perfectly normal. > > most of what has been remains the same. > > if you are with a person who you share your life with there would be no reason to change > that . But if you are single there is no reason to chase after some one because there is no > desires. desires for the most part vanish one dose not feel lonely or dependent on an > other. > > Realization is not an emotion and love is not a feeling but they are also the same. don't try > to figure it out just do the practice an trust the Guru. > > Love Light Jyoti >
