--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> He took it away from himself when he declared that TM was NOT  
> effortless....it is "easy" but then so are many, many other  
> meditation methods.
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> Any real yogi familiar with Patanjali will be well aware that as long  
> as there are supports (alambanas) there will always be some effort.
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> Effortless meditation or non-meditation can only occur without  
> supports or props like mantras, etc.
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How can there be effort in even mantra meditation. The mantra is
Brahman, the thoughts are Brahman, the process of meditation is
Brahman, transcendence is Brahman. Where pray tell, can there be
effort in Brahman??!! but the mind can never comprhend this. It comes
from Perfect Knowingness. And Perfect Nothingness. Ha HA Ha HA HA HA
:) :) :) :) :) :) :). Oh shame, pity an mercy on your little mind. May
Brahman eat that up for breakfast. Yum!

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