authfriend wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> authfriend wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> shempmcgurk wrote: >>>> >>>> >>> <snip> >>> >>> >>>>> Conceptually is broad enough that it could mean anything. >>>>> And you only threw in the whole conceptual thing in that last >>>>> post because you needed an out for your initial bullshit >>>>> statement. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> BTW, I don't recall that the TMO ever published for the public >>>> anything that described in detail the method of learning >>>> meditation or even checking. The only thing is MMY giving a >>>> description *conceptually.* >>>> >>> And *why* has the TMO never published any such >>> detailed description, Bhairitu? >>> >> For the same reason no other guru does not even Sivananda >> where he gives it out conceptually. >> > > The following is from the International Sivananda > Yoga Vedanta Center's page "Meditation (Dhyana)." > The first seven steps have to do with regularity, > time, space, asana, and detailed instructions for > breathing. > > Then we get to meditation itself: > > 8. Allow the mind to wander at first. It will jump around, but will > eventually become concentrated, along with the concentration of > prana. > > 9. Don't force the mind to be still, as this will set in motion > additional brain waves, hindering meditation. > > 10. Select a focal point on which the mind may rest. For people who > are intellectual by nature, this may be the Ajna Chakra., the point > between the eyebrows. For more emotional people, use the Anahata or > Heart Chakra. Never change this focal point. > > 11. Focus on a neutral or uplifting object, holding the image in the > place of concentration. If using a Mantra, repeat it mentally, and co- > ordinate repetition with the breath. If you dont have a personalized > Manta, use Om. Although mental repetition is stronger, the mantra may > be repeted aloud if one becomes drowsy. Never change the Mantra. > > 12. Repetition will lead to pure thought, in which sound vibration > merges with thought vibration, without awareness of meaning. Vocal > repetition progresses through mental repetition to telepathic > language, and from there to pure thought. > > 13. With practice, duality disappears and Samadhi, or the > superconscious state, is reached. Do not become impatient, as this > takes a long time. > > 14. In Samadhi one rests in the state of bliss in which the Knower, > the Knowledge, and the Known become one. This is the superconcious > state reached by mystics of all faiths and persuasions. > > http://www.sivananda.org/teachings/meditation/meditation.html > > And Sivananda is far from the only guru who > has published or posted on the Web detailed > instructions for his/her form of meditation. > > Here are two paragraphs on how to meditate from > the book you cited to Shemp, "Mind, Its Mysteries > and Control": > > Sit in a lonely place on Padma, Siddha or Sukha Asana. Free yourself > from all passions, emotions and impulses. Subjugate the senses. > Withdraw the mind from objects. Now the mind will be calm, one- > pointed, pure and subtle. With the help of this trained instrument, > disciplined mind, contemplate on that one Infinite Self. Do not think > of anything else. Do not allow any worldly thought to enter the mind. > Do not allow the mind to think of any physical or mental enjoyment. > When it indulges in these thoughts, give it a good hammering. Then it > will move towards God. Just as the Ganga flows continuously towards > the sea, thoughts of God should flow continuously towards the Lord. > Just as oil, when poured from one vessel to another, flows in an > unbroken, continuous stream, just as the harmonious sound produced > from the ringing of bells falls upon the ear in a continuous stream, > so also the mind should 'flow' towards God in one continuous stream. > There must be a continuous divine Vritti-Pravaha, Svajatiya-Vritti- > Pravaha, from the Sattvic mind towards God through continuous > Sadhana. > > You must have a mental image of God or Brahman (concrete or abstract) > before you begin to meditate. When you are a neophyte in meditation, > start repeating some sublime Slokas or Stotras (hymns) for ten > minutes as soon as you sit for meditation. This will elevate the > mind. The mind can be easily withdrawn from the worldly objects. Then > stop this kind of thinking also and fix the mind on one idea only by > repeated and strenuous efforts. Then Nishtha will ensue. > > http://www.sivananda.com/MindMysteriesControl.htm#_VPID_35 > > Sorry, but this is obviously completely unlike > TM in any number of ways. It isn't even > "conceptually" like TM. "Do not allow any > worldly thought to enter the mind"? "Fix the > mind on one idea only by repeated and > strenuous efforts"? > > Please. > > <snip> > >>>> But anyway anyone who has stepped outside of the movement >>>> knows that there is nothing unique about the way the mantra >>>> is given and it is old as time itself. >>>> >>> Straw man. Nobody suggested there was anything >>> unique about how the mantra is given. >>> >> Didn't follow the thread did you? >> > > I've read every post in the thread. Nowhere did > Shemp say there was anything unique about how > the mantra is given. > > Anybody can say "conceptually" that a method is > easy or even effortless. Where the rubber meets > the road is whether the instructions for practice > actually lead to effortlessness when they're > implemented. So the whole "conceptually" > business is a red herring. What makes the TM > technique unique is not the concept, but how the > concept is implemented. Oh come now. You can waste all the time you want on trying to disprove me mainly because you don't like me like you don't like many other folks on this group (and I'm sure you will follow up trying to disclaim it). That doesn't make you any better a person. You've never taught meditation so no first hand experience to speak of. I have taught meditation so have that first hand experience. I already said these descriptions are not exactly the same thing but they are close enough. You're just like a old boss I once had who would find some little obscure point and then pick on it regardless of how well one did the job just because he was a control freak.
Anyway the point was as others here (who you probably don't like either) have pointed out that Maharishi didn't invent this stuff. It is very traditional. And so there was no need for Chopra to give any credit to Maharishi for a method that has been traditional for centuries anyway. Judy you are becoming more and more like Willy every day. How is life under the bridge?
