On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:20 AM, do.rflex wrote:
I'm not talking about what somebody says *about* the Absolute, I'm talking about the *experience* of the Absolute. Like I said, Vaj, without a direct experience of the Absolute, all of your pseudo scholarly comparative mumbo-jumbo verbiage is meaningless apart from satisfying curiosity but with nothing practical to show for it. If you can't come up with anything more than your pontifications you're wasting everybody's time. But specifically offering something practicable instead of just ignorantly bashing TM isn't your purpose, is it? Your purpose is just to bash TM, a technique that works, without offering anything else better; an empty arrogant exercise in personal hostility.
Sorry do.rflex, you seem to have misunderstood once again. I do not assume (like you do) that TMers experience anything like "the absolute", but I do accept that they have been conditioned to believe they are having the experience they were told they are experiencing. A large part of TM indoctrination, as you know, is setting up belief expectations and telling people what it is they will experience. That does not make it true.
So, therefore your belief that TMers have this experience is IMHO, mostly conditioning.
If you don't like to hear more about the YS and yoga-darshana because they threaten you, don't read what I have to say then. But keep in mind, if you don't understand the relative correctly, don't expect then to present views on the absolute that are of any value other than to those who 'drank the koolaid' (i.e. those who've decided to believe their TM indoctrination). The more indoctrination a TMer has, the more tenaciously they hold onto the newly acquired conditioning.
I'm guessing you've had quite a bit! ;-)
> But the latter is common is diluted and/or > distorted traditions, like the TMO. Your attempt to characterize the TMO has nothing to do with the reality of the actual direct *experience* of the Absolute by countless numbers of TMers via TM. And you haven't a clue what that really is since you've never *experienced* the actual properly instructed practice of TM yourself.
Again, you are operating on a false assumption, that TMers, via TM, experience the absolute. I don't accept that that is in fact the case in all or most TMers, although I do accept that many believe they are experiencing pure consciousness, the home of all the laws of nature, the unified field, the vacuum state, etc., etc. etc.
