--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:20 AM, do.rflex wrote: > > > I'm not talking about what somebody says *about* the Absolute, I'm > > talking about the *experience* of the Absolute. Like I said, Vaj, > > without a direct experience of the Absolute, all of your pseudo > > scholarly comparative mumbo-jumbo verbiage is meaningless apart from > > satisfying curiosity but with nothing practical to show for it. > > > > If you can't come up with anything more than your pontifications > > you're wasting everybody's time. But specifically offering something > > practicable instead of just ignorantly bashing TM isn't your purpose, > > is it? Your purpose is just to bash TM, a technique that works, > > without offering anything else better; an empty arrogant exercise in > > personal hostility. > > Sorry do.rflex, you seem to have misunderstood once again. I do not > assume (like you do) that TMers experience anything like "the > absolute", but I do accept that they have been conditioned to believe > they are having the experience they were told they are experiencing. > A large part of TM indoctrination, as you know, is setting up belief > expectations and telling people what it is they will experience. That > does not make it true.
You wouldn't know, Vaj, since you've never *experienced* properly instructed TM. > So, therefore your belief that TMers have this experience is IMHO, > mostly conditioning. Nope. I've seen the direct results and the predictable effects in countless TMers. > If you don't like to hear more about the YS and yoga-darshana because > they threaten you, don't read what I have to say then. They certainly don't threaten me in any way at all - any more than any other literature would. They are just *irrelevant* to the successful practice of TM. > But keep in > mind, if you don't understand the relative correctly, don't expect > then to present views on the absolute that are of any value other > than to those who 'drank the koolaid' (i.e. those who've decided to > believe their TM indoctrination). The more indoctrination a TMer has, > the more tenaciously they hold onto the newly acquired conditioning. > > I'm guessing you've had quite a bit! ;-) I go by *experience*, not TMO propaganda. In case you hadn't noticed I have quite a dim view of the TMO as it's currently being operated, and with all the Vedic stuff. My *experience* doesn't lie. Your total lack of that *experience* disqualifies you from judging it. > > > But the latter is common is diluted and/or > > > distorted traditions, like the TMO. > > > > Your attempt to characterize the TMO has nothing to do with the > > reality of the actual direct *experience* of the Absolute by countless > > numbers of TMers via TM. And you haven't a clue what that really is > > since you've never *experienced* the actual properly instructed > > practice of TM yourself. > Again, you are operating on a false assumption, that TMers, via TM, > experience the absolute. I don't accept that that is in fact the case > in all or most TMers, although I do accept that many believe they are > experiencing pure consciousness, the home of all the laws of nature, > the unified field, the vacuum state, etc., etc. etc. Since I've instructed tens of hundreds of people into TM and directly seen the results, my views carry a hell of a lot more legitimacy than an outside self-appointed critic who has not - and who has not even *experienced* TM himself.
