--- In [email protected], gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I just > > happen to believe > > it IS the fastest and most efficient path there > > is... > > I don't think it's fast at all. In fact, of all the > myriad techniques I have done, it is the slowest.
I disagree. To me, the greatest evidence that it is the fastest is that there's no effort to do it. As for your observation that it is the slowest, well, that's about as scientific and as objective as my observation that it is the fastest. > Maybe Maharishi came out with new stuff, sidhis in > particular, because he knew TM would require multiple > lifetimes to reach just CC. I actually believe that TM is all that's needed. Indeed, I think the sidhis, advanced techniques and all that other stuff is there because everybody around MMY get bugging him all the time about getting the "real" stuff, so he finally relented. > There have even been > references here to his having said TM without rounding > could take millions of years, or maybe it was millions > of lifetimes, I forget which, to reach enlightenment. > > --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Rick Archer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on 6/2/05 7:20 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > "jim_flanegin" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > >> imo the problem so many of us have and have had > > with Maharishi's > > > >> teaching is that once we enjoyed some success > > with the initial > > > >> practice of TM, we then wanted a road map from > > Maharishi to go > > the > > > >> rest of the way, on our terms. > > > >> > > > >> Maharishi is like any other Master, with his > > own personality, > > > >> idiosyncrasies, etc. He lives a certain way and > > asks his > > followers > > > > to > > > >> live a certain way, adhere to particular > > beliefs, and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Maharishi are you talking about? > > > > > > > > Certainly not Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the founder > > of the TM > > > > technique. The whole idea behind TM was that a > > practitioner did > > NOT > > > > have to live a certain way OR adhere to > > particular > > beliefs...just 15- > > > > 20 minutes of TM twice a day and one goes into > > activity and lives > > > > their lives WITHOUT adopting philosophies or > > religions are > > > > requirements to doing TM. > > > > > > Hey Shemp. 30 years have passed since TM was > > predominantly > > presented that > > > way. Sure, they still say that stuff in intros, > > but buy the whole > > enchilada > > > and you could be (and some are) pursuing an > > unusual lifestyle > > based on > > > Maharishi's beliefs full time. And of course, many > > of them aren't > > mere > > > beliefs - they are founded in experience and some > > of them in > > research - but > > > many aren't. > > > > Those that "buy" into certain beliefs are free to do > > so but that's > > NOT what TM is...and it matters not whether 30 years > > have passed > > since TM was "predominantly" presented that > > way...that's how TM > > works. > > > > If MMY is asking his "followers", as the poster put > > it, "to live a > > certain way" or "adhere to certain beliefs", this is > > NOT -- I repeat > > NOT -- the TM program. It's something else > > entirely. And, > > certainly, that "something elese" may be good or bad > > or something in > > between but it should be judged entirely SEPARATELY > > from TM. > > > > Hey, maybe I'm naive and a "Pollyanna" but I hold on > > to the teaching > > that TM is a 15-20 minute period of rest followed by > > one's own self- > > guided free-of-dictates-from-the-TMO activity during > > activity. > > > > That's MY path...and, although I can't personally > > prove it or offer > > scientific studies to show it to be true, I just > > happen to believe > > it IS the fastest and most efficient path there > > is...and all these > > other things that are referred to above by you, > > Rick, and the other > > poster, are NOT TM and therefore, in my humble > > opinion, NOT, at > > least for me, the fastest and most efficient path > > (it certainly may > > be for others -- and that's their business -- but it > > isn't TM). > > > > That's why it upsets me that the organisation and > > the founder/leader > > of the organisation that promulgates TM adopts > > philophies and > > beliefs that go against the "we're not a religion or > > a philosophy" > > tenet. The TMO should reflect what it teaches, no? > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
