--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > > As Shemp pointed out, there is a value in "identification"
> > > with a spiritual teacher.  But I personally think that 
> > > this has been misconstrued by many teachings into the
> > > belief that one must do everything thing they say unques-
> > > tioningly for that identification to take place.  What
> > > one is trying to identify with is a state of conscious-
> > > ness, not the everyday beliefs and actions of the being
> > > who wears that state of consciousness.
> > 
> > ****
> > When I 15 years ago started to train at a gym, I first visited a 
> few,
> > and then chose the one where the athlets of the city trained. I
> > enjoyed very much watching how these athlets used their muscles 
> and in
> > a way drew those energies into myself. It could be said that I
> > identified myself with those energies. But I didn't change my
> > worldview and understanding similar to that of those guys. I 
didn't
> > even discuss those things with them.
> 
> Exactly.  Well said.  That is the distinction that some
> spiritual traditions make.  It's the state of conscious-
> ness that one wants to identify with, not the person.
> 

And yet, for those who follow the path of identification with the 
master/guru, it doesn't matter.

The storythat Shemp mentioned about the statue comes to mind.





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