Beautiful speech by Krishnamurti. Thanks for posting it. a ----- Original Message ---- From: dhamiltony2k5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2008 5:31:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Practice Since Blake
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "dhamiltony2k5" <dhamiltony2k5@ ...> wrote: > > Spiritual Practice Since Blake: > A lot of spiritual practice has gone on since Blake & it has > continued or ended in various ways not absolutely stale, > authoritarian and rigid. There has been a progression which is in > the American experience with it. > According to William Blake, movements always end like this--stale, authoritarian, rigid. Differently, an exact opposite of this kind of stale doctrinal fate like of the TMmovement could be: -J.Krishnamurti, 1929 Speech Dissolving his organization, post 7513 http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/FairfieldL ife/message/ 7513 > > > For example, Yogananda's group SRF now seems to have survived the > death of their guru. They do have enduring active spiritual practice > communities facilitating that work. Again last summer they gathered > for an annual week `convocation' near LA for about 10 days of long > group meditations with about 4000 people. In their communities they > do regular long powerful group meditations as part of their ongoing > spiritual practice. > > By a same kind of coin as with TM, it could be as easy to say that so > much of the `positivity' of late that the TMorg points to as evidence > is actually due to the SRF 4000 meditators in practice together last > summer. The powerful lasting influence of a larger n=squared number > by contrast. After all, exponentially 4000 powerful SRFmeditators > sitting in practice is a lot more strong than 1700 sleeping TM- sidhas > in recline in group. Sit with the shakti of a SRF group meditation > if you have not, to judge it. They got shakti that is alive in a way > that by contrast the TMmovement group meditations are only a forlorn > disheartened hope over what could have been with their movement. > -Doug in FF > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander > <mailander111@ > wrote: > > > > According to William Blake, movements always end like this-- stale, > authoritarian, rigid. They begin with fiery spirit and end in > ashes. > > >He describes the process in some detail and at great depth in > >his "Book of Urizen," which I read when I first got my children > >involved with TM, and I thought, hmm, here's a test case, and it has > been amazing to see how it went down exactly like the man said it > would. > > >So, perhaps, there is no need to speak of failure. Instead, we can > realize that this is the natural process for any movement. This does > not mean that there is anything wrong with the technique. > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Maharishi Effect" Quantum-Failure > Essay > > > <!-- #ygrp-mkp{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:14px 0px;padding:0px 14px;} #ygrp-mkp hr{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #ygrp-mkp #hd{ color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0px;} #ygrp-mkp #ads{ margin-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-mkp .ad{ padding:0 0;} #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} --> <!-- #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ font-family:Arial;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ margin:10px 0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} --> <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0;} #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both;} #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px;} #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-align:right;} #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left;white-space:nowrap;} .bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-transform:uppercase;} #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0;margin:2px 0;} #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-align:right;padding-right:.5em;} #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-vital a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} #ygrp-sponsor #nc{ background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-size:100%;line-height:122%;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0;} o{font-size:0;} .MsoNormal{ margin:0 0 0 0;} #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%;} blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq{margin:4;} --> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com