--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Moderation is fine, > > Good to know. I'll get back to you on this one. > > < it's excess that does the harm. > > > I'm glad I'm not paying you for this wisdom.
LOL. Ok, you got me, Curtis. I'll join in. :-) > > Basically though Alcohol > > (no matter how dressed up) is tamastic (dulling) and you will > > eventually have/want to give it up if you want a nervous system > > pure enough to reflect pure consciousness. This is one of the things about the TM dogma I can only laugh at these days, the spiritual naivete of it. I mean, there are intelligent people on this forum who are terrified of onions and garlic, much *less* wine. What amazes me is that the people who espouse this shit seem to have completely tuned out Maharishi's *own* "200% of life" in favor of the pre-existing prejudices about the world that they brought to the study with them. For some reason they feel guilty or uneasy with the pleasures of the world, so they cannot make room in their concept of enlightenment for those pleasures. The point of view that BillyG is espousing can't even make room for the world *itself* in his concept of enlight- enment; it's only a mechanism for stopping incarnation and getting out of the world altogether. In my book, the more things, places, practices and people a seeker considers "bad" or undesir- able or incompatible with enlightenment, the further they are from enlightenment. > I think you should be directing this to the guy who took perfectly > good water and turned it into the tamasic (dulling) wine. Jeezus was clearly Off The Program. You don't suppose he ate garlic and potatoes and shrooms and other tamassic stuff, too? We'd better reject him if he did. Put him in the "you can't have anything to do with this and still be enlightened" column. > I believe that a "nervous system pure enough to reflect pure > consciousness" is vastly overrated as a goal. Not to mention being a totally bogus concept, given the history of enlightenment on this planet. Some of the human beings *most* regarded as enlightened had pretty heavy-duty lifestyles in terms of sex, booze, and rock n' roll. > Just because MMY is kind of a prude about wine... Not to mention the other things he's a prude about. > ...there are plenty of traditions of > spirituality that are not. (where is Turq when you need him!) Sorry, I was busy in another thread talking up the benefits of drinking and carousing and having Tantric sex in graveyards. :-) > Christianity, Sufis Certain Buddhists... I don't need any of them to > tell me not to do too many shooters with idiotic names. But if you > have never done a body shot off of your girlfriend's stomach, your > enlightenment is incomplete no matter how pure you may think your > nervous system is! Just as a suggestion, using a skull cup to hold the shot is a lot less messy than drinking the booze dir- ectly from your girlfriend's bellybutton. Less chance of spilling the booze if she's ticklish, too. :-) > > > So I am willing to include the pleasure of meditation and the > > > states it produces in the party of life. But why crown it > > > king as if there is a competition with the other pleasures > > > great and small that make life great. In fact the contrast is > > > really what makes bliss blissful right, the old moving in the > > > tub thing. I just get such a denial of life vibe from most > > > spiritual points of view. It's one of the most hypocritical elements of an already hypocritical spiritual tradition (the TMO). They talked up "meditation as a preparation for activity" and "200% of life" in the intro lectures, but in reality praise and hold up as examples of "how to live" and "the best students" the people who hole up in hotel rooms with their eyes closed and who can't handle even being in the same building as members of the opposite sex. Maharishi himself hasn't seen the outside of his room in decades, as far as I know. It's a movement full of people who *talk* meditation as a way of having a more fulfilled life, but who in reality run away from life, into meditation. Their very *goal* (as espoused clearly in this thread by BillyG) is to run away from life FOREVER, and stop the process of incarnation. > > Life in harmony with the will of God is the most beautiful > > life you can have, we don't have that in the world today. So much bullshit in this short sentence I don't know where to start with my shovel. :-) First, how do you *know* the "will of God?" How do you even know that God exists? IF God exists, is He NOT in the wine you consider incompatible with enlightenment? Is he NOT in every atom of every- thing "in the world today?" > I gotta say that this belief seems kinda flimsy. How could you > possibly know what life is more beautiful than another? Today I > was surrounded with people grooving to my music, and the kids > were dancing with maracas in their hands, and the sun was shining, > and the Potomac river was reflecting it all back to my eyes. And > I said to myself "what a wonderful world". Ever run that through > your nervous system? Probably not. The most interesting thing that happens in a day in the life of a wannabee recluse in the TMO is that they don't serve brussel sprouts at dinner. :-) They have opted for a lifestyle that is as divorced from the joys of life as possible, and aspire to even MORE of one -- no life at all. Not my kinda goal.
