I appreciate receiving the references to Muktananda quotes. It exactly explains the grace I received.
--- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you for this post, Guy, I found it incredible and inspiring > reading. > > I would point out your use of and reference to MMY as a "master" > and, in particular, YOUR master. This is great and I am happy for > you that you have actually found a master in this lifetime and have > successfully entered into a relationship with him. > > But please be aware that this is NOT the TM program; it's something > else. From reading your post, it's a very great and profound thing, > but not TM. > > And it is not MY path. My path is TM which doesn't > include "masters" (it doesn't EXCLUDE them, but they are neither > necessary nor are they part of the program of what, according to the > founder and chief promulgator of the program, is needed to obtain > full enlightenment). > > As for celibacy, it is my personal opinion that celibacy is > incredibly compatible with TM. My experience with TM is that there > are two areas of life that are profoundly influenced and enhanced by > TM (and vice-versa) and the benefits thereof are exponential because > of the TM component. > > One is hatha yoga and the other is celibacy. > > I attend hatha yoga classes (the Iyengar method) several times a > week. The results I get are very profound and, naturally, I assume > at the end of class that everyone else is on the same high as I am > (especially felt during the lay-down). Sure, people feel great as a > result of the physical "exercise" but almost never do they express > that they are feeling the results and "change of consciousness" that > I do. I attribute it to my many years of TM practise. > > As for celibacy: I can't say that I am totally celibate. Yes, I > have gone through periods in my 20s (periods that included the 6- > month course and other TM residential courses) in which I was > completely celibate. My experience? The results of TM appeared (at > least on the subjective side!) to be exponentially greater...and > they included numerous experiences of the types you so incredibly > and beautifully described in your post. Alot of things happening > along the spine. > > I'm now 50 and out in the "real world" for about 25 years...always > aspired to hold on to the celibacy ideal but have come to the > conclusion that living in this particular culture is NOT condusive > to "full" celibacy. Geez, every billboard on every block has some > babe strutting her stuff at me, not to mention the nubile young > sweets on the streets who really don't clothe themselves all that > much here in the dessert...but I digress... > > Holding out for two weeks is, for me, pretty much all I can handle. > Up to "losing" my seed my meditation IS more powerful and, yes, > there is an experience of "loss" when the ejaculation happens...but > the frustration and anxiety that the culture that surrounds me puts > on me until then is, I believe, more damaging. > > Quite applicable to your wonderful post are the following excerpts > from Swami Muktananda's book "Satsang with Baba, Volume 5", pp 180- 2: > > "To become an urdhvareta, not only must you be a strict celibate > throughout your life, but you must also receive the Guru's grace. > Your Kundalini must be awakened, and the Shakti must reverse the > direction in which the semen flows -- from downward to upward. A > celibate will not necessarily become an urdhvareta; an ordinary > celibate is simply a celibate, not an urdhvareta. Urdhvareta is a > sttate that comes through meditation. The semen, which normally > flows downward, begins to folw upward as a result of meditation. It > reaches the place of the gastric fire above the navel, and when it > falls into the gastric fire it produces thrilling sensations. After > it has been purified in the gastric fire, it rises up into the > sahasrar and then spreads through all the nerves." > > "One turns to sex for a certain kind of enjoyment. If you could get > the same pleasure, in fact, far superior pleasure, woithout the > physical sex act, why would you go after it?" > > "The bliss experienced by an urdhvareta is a million times greater > than the pleasure experienced by the downward flow of semen." > > > --- In [email protected], "guybanner2002" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In May, 1975 I attended an ATR in France. MMY was giving advanced > > techniques. I was not ready for one of the 2 to 7, but I > > thought, "who said it had to be 2 to 7." So I decided to write in > my > > own request. I had a high sex drive and it was interfering with my > > desire to be totally one-pointed in my spiritual practice. So, I > > decided to write on my advanced technique application > > form "Celibacy." I got at the end of the line and after an hour > wait > > entered the initiation room where there were rows of tables with > > puja sets set up. We each did our own puja, then lined up to come > > before MMY to get our technique. > > > > I came about three feet before MMY with some apprehension about > his > > response. He looked at the form and then at me, and said "Good." > > Then asked me "How long have you abstained?" > > I replied, "Two years." Then, firmly, "But I need help." > > MMY nodded, then closed his eyes, and went really deep into > > meditation. He surfaced about ten seconds later, and said, "It is > > good." Then MMY looked at me solidy. > > Then suddenly I felt a solid hard bolt of energy come from MMY and > > hit me between my eyes which stunned me by the impact. Before I > > could figure it out, a second solid hard bolt of energy again hit > > me between my eyes. > > Then I noticed my seminal fluid rising up to the second chakra > > level. A very sharp pain began; it was like an icepick was slowly > > being pushed into me at the pelvic chakra area. It was very > painful > > and lasted about 5 seconds. > > Then the rising fluid seemed to become transmuted into a dense > > vapor. It rose slowly upwards, up the shushumna. It was a very > > pleasurable experience. When it reached the level of my heart > > chakra, it paused and radiated outwards from my chest in all > > direction with a great feeling of splendor. > > Then the radiating ceased and the upward flow of the dense vapor > > continued until it reached the level of my forehead, when again it > > radiated outwards in all directions with great splendor. > > That was my initiation into celibacy. It was done by a mere glance > > from my MASTER. > > He put my physiology through a metamorphosis that to this day has > > not changed. He changed the direction of my energy flow from going > > downwards and outwards into one which is transmuted and flows > > continuously upwards. > > > > Celibacy is a state of consciousness which has a corresponding > > physiologic correlate. It is not a vow of abstinance. Once this > > celibate stage is reached there is no temptation, there is not > even > > a consideration, there is no "solitaire" play, nor any "nocturnal > > emission." Celibacy is not a matter of giving up anything. Sex > gives > > you up. It is not a matter of denying oneself of anything. The > state > > of celibacy is so fulfilling and euphoric that to have sex would > be > > to make a sacrifice, such as would be done to have a child. > Celibacy > > is a state of constant high which far overshadows any pleasure > that > > can be derived from sex. (and this statement I make from once > having > > been a sex addict). > > > > So, if MMY can transform my physiology with a glance, don't you > > think that Guru Dev could have done the same for him? > > If I, with my former oversexed drive, can be a perfect celibate, > > don't you think that MMY with his much higher state of > consciousness > > can more easily be celibate? > > What high state of consciousness must a Master be in to be able to > > impart such a metamorphosis upon someone with merely a glance? > > > > A wise man once told me that people of high consciousness can > > recognize and understand those of lower consciousness. But those > of > > lower consciousness cannot recognize and understand those of > higher > > consciousness. > > > > I have been meditating for 37 yrs (TM instructor for nearly as > long) > > and I have been on MMY's staff for 5 years. The above is just one > > example of Maharishi's great status. Maharishi is a very great > > MASTER. Anyone who cannot recognize that status and mocks him is a > > fool with the consciousness of a rock. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
