--- In [email protected], "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree - that must be difficult. If you choose such a life, the > only solution I can see is marriage or celibacy if you still want > to be a Spiritual Master. Sorry if I misunderstood you. > Ingegerd
I can see another, but it is tougher than either marriage or celibacy -- living one's life honestly and trying to do nothing that harms the one you love and everything that assists them in their path. If you manage that, the small stuff like whether you're sleeping with them or not takes care of itself. Unc > --- In [email protected], "Patrick Gillam" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ingegerd, you are applying the situation to ordinary > > meditation teachers. They'll very likely have personal > > lives that will make room for dating. > > > > I'm talking about masters who command large > > organizations, and whose attention is wholly > > consumed by their enterprise. They have no > > "personal life" per se. In such a situation, I'm > > amused by how they might find dates. > > > > There was a movie some years ago called "The > > American President" that dealt with this conundrum. > > In the movie, the guy who had no personal life was > > not a spiritual master. He was the president of the > > United States. Similar problem, though. > > > > It's funny to me because these spiritual masters > > are so wholly consumed by enlightening the world > > or alleviating suffering or freeing Tibet or whatever, > > yet they're vexed by something as mundane as > > dating. They preach the fulfillment of spiritual > > awakening, yet their yearning for basic physical and > > emotional intimacy goes wanting. > > > > - Patrick Gillam > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ingegerd" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You are a man? A TM-Teacher? I really hope that you meet other > people > > > to date than your own students? I have observed that in some > > > Academies - it is a very narrow world - with many strange > > > sexrelations - that has not been very healthy. I really hope, > when we > > > are so busy to develop spirituality, that we also develop some > > > ethical standards as well. I am not against sex - but we have > some > > > responsibility for our students. For a Teacher - and special a > > > spiritual Teacher - to have sex with the students is sex-abuse. > > > Ingegerd > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Patrick Gillam" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > on 6/5/05 8:52 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In my world. If a Teacher have sex with a student or a > Master > > > with > > > > > > the Disciple or secretary or student, I call it sex- abuse. > If a > > > > > > Master find another Master to have sex with - I don't care. > For > > > a > > > > > > Master or Guru or Maharishi to have sex with somebody who > trust > > > you > > > > > > to be a spiritual guide, it is sex-abuse, and can really be > > > harmfull. > > > > > > Ingegerd > > > > > > > > > > I agree. The "consenting adults" line is baloney. Too great a > > > disparity > > > > > between ages, cultures, and levels of power and authority. > > > > > > > > What I wonder is, how *would* such people date? > > > > > > > > If a teacher's whole world revolves around the > > > > organization the teacher has created, how does > > > > he or she meet other people? Hows do they spend > > > > enough time with others to tell whether they want > > > > to commit to the relationship? > > > > > > > > How would you write the classified ad? > > > > > > > > "Single Indian male, mid-40s, financially secure, > > > > self-realized, seeks spiritually inclined female for > > > > hot sex during off hours." > > > > > > > > Could be a specialized market for matchmakers. > > > > > > > > Maybe the key is to graduate one's students. That's > > > > the ethical way conventional teachers do it. Wait until > > > > your student is no longer your student before you ask > > > > her out. > > > > > > > > - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
