--- In [email protected], "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I can see the point - to be honest about that you have a > sexlife. But still I think the Master should avoid having sex with > his devotees. It is too many mixed feelings involved. I see this > from a womans view. A suppose a man will see it different. And in > this case the Master is a man. I do not think a woman will call sex > with the Master for "small stuff". She can be really hurt. > Ingegerd
As I was trying to say, the problem is inherent in the language you are using. "Master." "Devotee." This is not the only model for spiritual teaching, or for spirit- ual organizations. Unc > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Ingegerd" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I agree - that must be difficult. If you choose such a life, the > > > only solution I can see is marriage or celibacy if you still want > > > to be a Spiritual Master. Sorry if I misunderstood you. > > > Ingegerd > > > > I can see another, but it is tougher than either > > marriage or celibacy -- living one's life honestly > > and trying to do nothing that harms the one you love > > and everything that assists them in their path. If > > you manage that, the small stuff like whether you're > > sleeping with them or not takes care of itself. > > > > Unc > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Patrick Gillam" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Ingegerd, you are applying the situation to ordinary > > > > meditation teachers. They'll very likely have personal > > > > lives that will make room for dating. > > > > > > > > I'm talking about masters who command large > > > > organizations, and whose attention is wholly > > > > consumed by their enterprise. They have no > > > > "personal life" per se. In such a situation, I'm > > > > amused by how they might find dates. > > > > > > > > There was a movie some years ago called "The > > > > American President" that dealt with this conundrum. > > > > In the movie, the guy who had no personal life was > > > > not a spiritual master. He was the president of the > > > > United States. Similar problem, though. > > > > > > > > It's funny to me because these spiritual masters > > > > are so wholly consumed by enlightening the world > > > > or alleviating suffering or freeing Tibet or whatever, > > > > yet they're vexed by something as mundane as > > > > dating. They preach the fulfillment of spiritual > > > > awakening, yet their yearning for basic physical and > > > > emotional intimacy goes wanting. > > > > > > > > - Patrick Gillam > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ingegerd" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > You are a man? A TM-Teacher? I really hope that you meet > other > > > people > > > > > to date than your own students? I have observed that in some > > > > > Academies - it is a very narrow world - with many strange > > > > > sexrelations - that has not been very healthy. I really hope, > > > when we > > > > > are so busy to develop spirituality, that we also develop > some > > > > > ethical standards as well. I am not against sex - but we have > > > some > > > > > responsibility for our students. For a Teacher - and special > a > > > > > spiritual Teacher - to have sex with the students is sex- > abuse. > > > > > Ingegerd > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Patrick Gillam" > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > on 6/5/05 8:52 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my world. If a Teacher have sex with a student or a > > > Master > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the Disciple or secretary or student, I call it sex- > > abuse. > > > If a > > > > > > > > Master find another Master to have sex with - I don't > > care. > > > For > > > > > a > > > > > > > > Master or Guru or Maharishi to have sex with somebody > who > > > trust > > > > > you > > > > > > > > to be a spiritual guide, it is sex-abuse, and can > really > > be > > > > > harmfull. > > > > > > > > Ingegerd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree. The "consenting adults" line is baloney. Too > great > > a > > > > > disparity > > > > > > > between ages, cultures, and levels of power and authority. > > > > > > > > > > > > What I wonder is, how *would* such people date? > > > > > > > > > > > > If a teacher's whole world revolves around the > > > > > > organization the teacher has created, how does > > > > > > he or she meet other people? Hows do they spend > > > > > > enough time with others to tell whether they want > > > > > > to commit to the relationship? > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you write the classified ad? > > > > > > > > > > > > "Single Indian male, mid-40s, financially secure, > > > > > > self-realized, seeks spiritually inclined female for > > > > > > hot sex during off hours." > > > > > > > > > > > > Could be a specialized market for matchmakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe the key is to graduate one's students. That's > > > > > > the ethical way conventional teachers do it. Wait until > > > > > > your student is no longer your student before you ask > > > > > > her out. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! 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