Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY - Celibacy - the Truth! - The Beatles

[Llundrub]

Frankly I don't find the breakup of the Beatles too horrific as after we had four solo Beatles and four times the musical output. People polarize the Beatles/Maharishi thing into a seeker quest, but the Beatles I found were ever fully enlightened in their music and lyrics. Even from the start they sang songs of fulfillment. They were just full. There was an outpouring of love and good humour. A few times, sadness. They weren't songs of yearning so much.    I have never heard the exact sort of fullness again in anyone else besides them.   However, real service to the guru is not happening when one sits at their feet like a sponge, but rather when one realizes that the guru is maybe not even as developed as they themselves are, but the person promotes or upholds them anyway.    Many many enlightened people have had to still join a lineage in order to pour our their knowledge in a way that is effective. For instance, Guru Rinpoche was fully enlightened from birth, but then later he was exhorted by a dakini to take up Buddhism because having no lineage would mean he would never receive a prepared target audience.   Then again, perhaps one has the devotion to the teaching which one finds great, and the guru is not so very powerful in darshan, and the student finds the guru boring. Nonetheless, the student in promoting the desires of the guru without any hope of reward assumes much more significance in this case. Doncha think?       ----- Original Message ----- From: Premanand Paul Mason To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 3:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY - Celibacy - the Truth! - The Beatles --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote: > > on 6/5/05 2:20 PM, lupidus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: > > > > > At one point Maharishi was so fed upp with western stupidity that he > > > wanted to withdraw to the Himalayas. > > >  > > > The above posts shows why. > > > > > > Only countless pleas from contemporaries prevented him from > > > leaving.  Could have been around 1969, don't remember. > > > > It was around then. After the Beatles debacle, he said he had > > failed and would stay in Rishikesh. But he was still somewhat > > active, which he likened to a jet continuing to run its engines > > after it had landed. Then Jerry Jarvis called to tell him that > > 2,000 people wanted to start TTC in Poland Spring and Humboldt, > > and he was off and running again. > > Not to get too psychoanalytic, but spiritual teachers > have often been described, and accurately, as narscissists. > There is almost *always* a crisis the first time someone > breaks from the accepted adoration routine and thinks for > themselves.  A condition of cognitive dissonance is set > up, not only for the students thinking for themselves, > but for the teacher.  John and the rest of the Beatles > leaving must have been rather a big shock to him. > > Since then, in my experience, criticism, doubt and "failure > to follow orders" have been dealt with harshly, with the > critic being excommunicated from the organization and > their reputation systematically "trashed" so that no one > will believe what the critic has to say. > > Unc John Lennon has been unfairly held responsible for The Beatles breakaway from MMY but also, by association, the breakup of The Beatles. At the time of the 'confrontation' between Lennon & MMY, The Beatles were arranging to appear in a public concert in Delhi, alongside the Beachboys and Donovan. The breakup of The Beatles was a great loss to the world and the breakaway from MMY is what appears to have been the root cause. Probably movement types will gloat reading this. Yes, they will think, MMY has the power even to break up The Beatles. But he showed no such power when asked to respond to his most famous followers 'unstressing'. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.