--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "lurkernomore20002000"
<steve.sundur@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> >   <geezerfreak@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >   In the end, like the radicals who grew up and rejected Marxism and
> > revolution � I wish I  would have joined the Army, gotten married
> > much younger, and taught more kids how to  throw a curve ball. Spent
> > those wild years in domesticity and talking to my father.Listening  to
> > him. And wish I would have read the book of John, and followed the
> > carpenter from  Galilee much earlier.
> >   This isn't regrets. Just a statement of acknowledgment of where the
> > truth lives.
> > 
> > 
> > William W. Eberwein
> > 
> > Whoa, a Christian statment,  not judging,  not condeming,  not
> > preaching.   Maybe this Age of Enlightenment thing has something
to it.
> >
> 
> Heh. The Book of John where everyone who isn't a Christian
> suffers for all eternity? Yeah, no preaching there...

I sniffed around, and Eberwein is not a typical fundie Christian:

http://eberweins.blogspot.com/2006/10/fresh-flowers.html

Q. Are you a Christian?

A. No. I take the minimal definition of a Christian to be a person who
is sure that Jesus of Nazareth was divine, or part-divine, and that
the Resurrection was a real event. I don't believe either of those things.

...

Q. Do you believe in God?

A. Yes, to my own satisfaction, though not necessarily to yours. I
don't believe in a sort of super-guy with a human-ish personality
(yes, yes, I know that's the wrong way round: we are supposed to be
made in His image) who can be put in a good mood by proper ceremonies,
whose mind can be fathomed by reading scripture, and whose help can be
enlisted through prayer.

I belong to the 16 percent of Americans who, in the classification
used for a recent survey, believe in a "Critical God." My God is at,
or possibly just is, one pole of the great two-poled mystery of
everything: the origin of the universe, which passeth all human
understanding. He is the Creator. Since He was present in the cosmos
then, I assume He is now (or "now," since He is obviously outside
spacetime); and since I can apprehend Him, I assume He is aware of me.
The two poles of mystery, the Him and the Me (I mean, the invidual
human consciousness, the I, the Me — that's the second pole) are in
contact somehow, and may actually be the same thing, as is hinted at
by some by some religious teachers outside Christianity. I am, in
short, a Mysterian.

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