> > > > Your quote from Patanjali is irrelevant in this context. > > > > > > >
>The quote is evidently relevant only in that it is a strong comment >and warning, from scripture. Interesting distinction you make though about this willing and unwilling possession. Are you experienced in the sense that you practice it? Thinking back on earlier TMmovement days we didn't have much directly from Guru Dev in the way of quotes and readings. Maharishi told stories about Guru Dev. The one thing that was given out though was a quote from Guru Dev on this subject of spiritism. It was sort of foundational material for ruddering the TMmovement in straight and narrow spiritual practice. That... dabbling in spirits could be dangerous Maharishi was always firm in consul and coaching about this. This quote was a printed one sheet paper that was very available around teacher trainings and on ATR courses: <paste> Guru Dev: Speaking on the Value of a Human Birth and the Importance of Right Action "Do good works without hesitation. The Jiva has been experiencing samsara for many, many births. It is only natural, therefore, that its tendencies have become worldly. To turn its tendencies toward Paramatman and away from samsara requires some effort. In reality, the aim of life is to stop the mind from involvement with this world. If one engages in spiritual practice and in thinking and speaking about God, the mind will start dwelling on Him and after some time it will withdraw from the world on its own. In our daily affairs we should adopt a strategy of quickly attending to good works and things related to the Divine. Should any wrong thought arise, on the other hand, we should try to postpone it to another time by saying, "I'll do it tomorrow, or the day after next." In this way, wrong action can be continuously postponed. To be born a human is more fortunate than to be born a deva (angel or Divine being). Taking birth as a deva is considered comparable to taking birth as any other life form. Birth as a deva is attained by those who perform certain sacrifices and karma, etc. associated with divinity, with the intention to enjoy divine pleasures. The minds of the devas wander incessantly because of the abundance of enjoyable things in the heavenly realms, and hence they cannot perform purushartha (Divine action - action in accord with the cosmic evolution and individual destiny). For this reason, the human birth is considered superior, because here, by doing as much purushartha as possible, one can eventually merge with God. A human being is like a lump of pure gold, whereas devas are like pieces of fine jewelry. Having been perfected as jewelry, their progress is complete, and they cannot be further improved. On the other hand, gold which has not yet been crafted by the jeweler, has unlimited potential. Hence the birth of a human being is said to be the very best birth for action. Having attained this birth, one should not act carelessly, but should conscientiously perform the best purushartha. Fulfilling one's own dharma while keeping faith in Paramatman is the greatest purushartha. Strive to become one with God in this lifetime. Have firm faith in the Vedas and Shastras (Vedic scripture) and keep the company of saints, mahatmas and wise people. Only then will the purpose of your life be fulfilled. To get a human body is a rare thingmake full use of it. There are four million kinds of births which a soul can gather. After that one gets a human body. Therefore, one should not waste this opportunity. Every second in human life is very valuable. If you don't value this, then you will have nothing in hand and you will weep in the end. Because you're human, God has given you power to think and decide what is good and bad. Therefore, you can do the best possible kind of action. You should never consider yourself weak or a fallen creature. Whatever may have happened up to now may be because you didn't know. But now be careful. After gaining a human body, if you don't reach God, then you have sold a diamond at the price of spinach. http://www.srigurudev.net/srigurudev/gurudev/discourses.html > "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > What is the difference? Are they different on a continum or > > > entirely > > > > different? This "overshadowing" or 'channeling'. > > > > > > > > Invoking disembodied beings one way or another, just different > > > > frequencies of praying or communication? Just wondering. > > > > > > > > -Doug in FF > > > > > > nablusoss1008 <no_reply@> > > >wrote: > > > > > > His Master is a yogi of high caliber, and may or may not be > > > disembodied. > > > > > > It is entirely different as it does not go against the free will > > of > > > the subject in any way.> > > <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > Interesting distinction, betwx willing and unwilling communication, > > > with the dis-incarnate? > > Willing and unwilling? Is there a point where "over-shadowing" can > become, 'possession'? Is that your distinction between, "over- > shadowing" and 'channeling' as on a continum where dabbling gets > beyond control as in, out of control: > "over-shadowing", "channeling", "possession"? > > > > Maybe Dr. Pete has clinical experience with this? > > > > Dr. David R. Hawkins talks about these things as parts of the > spiritualist 'astral circus', to be avoided by spiritual seekers. > Like with the stern warning in Patanjali and by Shankara. > > "When tempted by invisible beings in high places, let the yogi feel > neither allured nor flattered; for he is in danger of being caught > once more by ignorance" III-v52 Patanjali Yoga Sutras > (Prabhvananda translation). > > > The 'disembodied' is commented upon by Patanjali in Chapter 1 v-19 > and also commentary by Shankara. > > v-19 for instance, "This (Samadhi when not followed by extreme non- > atachment) becomes cause of the re-manifestation of the gods and of > those that become merged in nature." (Vivikananda) > > or "When such concentration is not accompanied by non-attachment, and > ignorance therefore remains, the aspirant will reach the state of the > disincarnate gods or become merged with the forces of Nature." > (-Prabhvananda) > > "The Yogi should not feel allured or flattered by the > >overtures > > > >of > > > > > celestial beings for fear of evil again." - III-v52 Patanjali > Yoga Sutras (Vivekananda translation) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > > > > > <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Ben Crème `channels' this? Is pretty heady. How does > it > > > > >jive, > > > > > > with that stern warning in the Yoga Sutras? Just > wondering. > > > > > > > > > > > > "The Yogi should not feel allured or flattered by the > > >overtures > > > > >of > > > > > > celestial beings for fear of evil again." - III-52 > Patanjali > > > > >Yoga > > > > > > Sutras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Maitreya, the World Teacher, has not come alone, but with > a > > > > >group > > > > > of > > > > > > wise Teachers who have long guided humanity from behind the > > > > >scenes. > > > > > > They are returning to the everyday world to help us solve > our > > > > >most > > > > > > critical global problems." http://www.shareintl.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this type of alluring spiritualism on the rise in recent > > > > >times? > > > > > > Evidently there are several voices being heard by different > > > > > people. > > > > > > Just wondering. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Doug in FF > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 > <no_reply@> > > > > >wrote: > > > > > The process is called "overshadowing" - the result of long > > > training > > > > > in attunement to his Master. It has nothing to do with > > channeling. > > > > > > > > > > From what I understand 36 Masters are to be with Maitreya, 12 > > > have > > > > > already incarnated. The Master Jesus from Nazareth is one of > > > them. > > > > > Brahmananda Saraswathi is currently not in incarnation, > > >according > > > > >to > > > > > my information. > > > > > > > > > > Your quote from Patanjali is irrelevant in this context. > > > > > > > > > > > The quote is evidently relevant only in that it is a strong comment > and warning, from scripture. > > > Om
