Not school age, rather pre-school age. I mentioned that this can occur at a very early age to point out that it is quite possible that people are born with this, or the tendency to develop this. It seemed like your first post dismissed the possibility of a physiologic or inherited cause altogether.
I would not ordinarily view the "psychodymanics of the mind: defenses and self-organization", as you say, to be be much an issue with one and two year old children. But that's not my field, and I am interested if you believe these psychodynamics start that early. --- Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > OCD is an anxiety disorder. The obsessions > and > > > > > compulsions are a defense against an > > emotionally > > > > > disorganized experience. The source of the > > > > > disorganization has to be addressed. > > > > > > > > > > Who says? > > > > > Me. I'm a clinical psychologist. I do this for a > > > living. > > > > Then how come this disorder is found in children > at > > nursery school age? And how come this disorder > tends > > to run in families? > > > > The fact is, no one knows what causes it. > > No, that's not true. I'm discussing the > psychodymanics > of the mind: defenses and self-organization. Of > course > there is a genetic component. And why do you see my > rather cursory explanation contradicted by school > age > children with this diagnosis? I'll discuss this with > you, but unless you have a mental health background > you do not have enough foundational knowledge to > discuss this in any informed manner. I'm not trying > to > be arrogant, but without training and experience > with > the mentally ill it's just opinion and not > understanding. Sorry! In the same way, whatever your > field of expertise is, I wouldn't try to contradict > you or offer a critique because I don't know enough > about it beyond mere opionion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter > > > Sutphen > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > > "sparaig" > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > "Phil > > > > > > Goldberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Another interpretation of the > > observation > > > > below > > > > > > about the use of > > > > > > > antidepressants: a lot of TM veterans > > might > > > > have > > > > > > been clinically > > > > > > > depressed for years and hoping that the > > > > program > > > > > > would cure the > > > > > > problem - > > > > > > > - and/or assuming that getting help for > > the > > > > > > condition was > > > > > > > somehow "unspiritual." In which case, > > > finally > > > > > > doing something > > > > > > about it > > > > > > > may be a sign of maturity as much as > > > > > > disillusionment with the TMO. > > > > > > By > > > > > > > the way, I say this because I spoke to a > > > > scientist > > > > > > who recently > > > > > > > published a study on the use of > > > > antidepressants > > > > > > among long-term > > > > > > > Buddhist meditators, so it's not unique > to > > > the > > > > TM > > > > > > world. This, of > > > > > > > course, does not in any way diminish the > > > very > > > > real > > > > > > despair caused > > > > > > by > > > > > > > finding out the emperor has fewer > clothes > > > than > > > > one > > > > > > imagined. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm on prozac and my son is on something > > > else. > > > > We > > > > > > both meditate and > > > > > > > swear by it. That we have something a > bit > > > > tougher > > > > > > than TM by itself > > > > > > can > > > > > > > handle doesn't invalidate TM. I was told > > to > > > go > > > > to > > > > > > sleep by 9PM > > > > > > every > > > > > > > night and I almost never do. Maybe TM + > > 9PM > > > > > > bedtime would be > > > > > > enough, > > > > > > > who can say? > > > > > > > > > > > > According to Mahaaraaja Nader Raama's book > > > yoga > > > > is > > > > > > "connected" > > > > > > to the cerebral cortex. I wonder if that's > > why > > > > > > meditation is > > > > > > not necessarily very effective in treating > > > > primarily > > > > > > emotional > > > > > > problems, like depression. OTOH, I seem to > > > > recall > > > > > > you use fluoxetine > > > > > > for OCD, or stuff. But I guess there might > > be > > > a > > > > > > strong emotional > > > > > > component in OCD, too. > > > > > > > > > > OCD is an anxiety disorder. 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