--- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > An unenlightened person looks at an enlightened > person > > and they appear to have desires. They talk, they > move, > > they eat food, they do this and that, they prefer > one > > thing over another. > > What is it that is actually driving the speach, > movements, eating? > And when there are preferences, why is one thing > preferred over > another? > > If an answer is Brahman then does Brahman have a > sense of "I"?. > > Rick Carlstrom In waking state there is a foundational confound between consciousness and the experiential sense of "I". This "I" is ego. Because consciousness is projected into and identified with body/mind there is a bound sense of self: individuality. This ego assumes ownership for action. Thus in waking state we assume that action occurs because "I" am intending it. But in enlightenment it becomes rather clear that there is no "I" to intend or not to intend anything. Action just occurs or not occurs. Thoughts just occur or not occur. Feelings just occur or not occur. There is no "I" that takes ownership. The "I" actually does not exist. But it appears to exist in waking state and is confused with consciousness. What drives the behavior/thought/feeling of the enlightened is what drives everything phenomenal: God/Nature/Mystery, whatever. This is actually driving people in waking state too, but they think that subjective sense of "I" is doing it. It's quite the delusion! > > > > > > > > In fact from the behavioral level > > there is no difference between the unenlightened > and > > the enlightened. But the enlightened person is not > > "there" in the way the unenlightened person > believes > > themselves to be. There is no sense of "I" or > "mine" > > in the enlightened person. There is no subjective > > "self" that sees itself as "me" or "I" . That just > > goes in enlightenment. The best an enlightened > person > > can say is that they are "nothing." They aren't > there > > in they way an unenlightened person believes they > are > > there. There is no personal identity or self in > > enlightenment. The mind can't understand this > because > > it confounds a sense of individual self with > > consciousness. The two have no relationship what > so > > ever. A personal self is a product of > consciousness > > projecting into mind and experiencing itself as > bound. > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
