To All:

These flying machines are mentioned often in the Shrimad Bhagavatam 
too.  In one story, a king riding in his flying machine witnessed 
Shiva and Parvati in a sensual embrace, while they were giving 
darshan (lecture perhaps?) to a group of brahmins.  The king mocked 
the two demigods for their behaviour.  Thus, Parvati, who was 
embarassed, cursed the king to be reborn as a demon in his next birth.

On another matter, in his commentary to the Shrimad Bhagavatam,  
Prabhupada stated that the ancient kings of Egypt originally came 
from India.  They were driven out of India by a previous incarnation 
of Krishna (Parasurinam?) because of injustices in their management 
of the people's affairs.

Some esoteric writers have mentioned that the Atlanteans were related 
to the Egyptians.  Thus, we see similar technologies, such as the 
pyramids in Egypt and in Meso-America (Mexico and Guatemala).  As 
such, one can deduce that the Atlanteans may have come from India as 
well.  Were they also driven out of India for their mismanagement?

Regards,

John R.









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> The Vimanas - The Ancient Flying Machines
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> There are reference to flying machines in the temple carvings and 
in the ancient writings.
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> The images found on the ceiling beams of a 3000-year old New 
Kingdom Temple, located several hundred miles south of Cairo and the 
Giza Plateau, at Abydos resembles modern day Aircrafts.
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> Reference to ancient Indian flying vehicles comes from ancient 
Indian sources, many are the well known ancient Indian Epics, and 
there are literally hundreds of them. Most of them have not even been 
translated into English yet from the old sanskrit.
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> It is claimed that a few years ago, the Chinese discovered some 
sanskrit documents in Lhasa, Tibet and sent them to the University of 
Chandrigarh to be translated. Dr. Ruth Reyna of the University said 
recently that the documents contain directions for building 
interstellar spaceships!
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> Their method of propulsion, she said, was "anti-gravitational" and 
was based upon a system analogous to that of "laghima," the unknown 
power of the ego existing in man's physiological makeup, "a 
centrifugal force strong enough to counteract all gravitational pull."
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> According to Hindu Yogis, it is this "laghima" which enables a 
person to levitate. Dr. Reyna said that on board these machines, 
which were called "Astras" by the text, the ancient Indians could 
have sent a detachment of men onto any planet, according to the 
document, which is thought to be thousands of years old. The 
manuscripts were also said to reveal the secret of "antima"; "the cap 
of invisibility" and "garima"; "how to become as heavy as a mountain 
of lead."�
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> 19th Century Flying references
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> Shivkar Bapuji Talpade born in 1864, was a Sanskrit scholar. His 
birth place is Chirabazar at Dukkarwadi in Bombay. From his young age 
was attracted by the Vaimanika Sastra (Aeronautical Science) 
expounded by the great Indian sage Maharishi Bhardwaja.
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> One western scholar of Indology Stephen-Knapp has tried to explain 
what Talpade did. According to Knapp, the Vaimanika Shastra describes 
in detail, the construction of what is called, the mercury vortex 
engine the forerunner of the ion engines being made today.
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> Shivkur Bapuji Talpade's unmanned aircraft flew to a height of 1500 
feet before crashing down and the historian. Knapp adds that 
additional information on the mercury engines can be found in the 
ancient Vedic text called Samaranga Sutradhara. This text also 
devotes 230 verses, to the use of these machines in peace and war.
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> The Indologist William Clarendon, who has written down a detailed 
description of the mercury vortex engine in his translation of 
Samaranga Sutradhara quotes thus 'Inside the circular air frame, 
place the mercury-engine with its solar mercury boiler at the 
aircraft center. By means of the power latent in the heated mercury 
which sets the driving whirlwind in motion a man sitting inside may 
travel a great distance in a most marvelous manner.
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> Four strong mercury containers must be built into the interior 
structure. When these have been heated by fire through solar or other 
sources the vimana (aircraft) develops thunder-power through the 
mercury. It is also added that this success of an Indian scientist 
was not liked by the Imperial rulers. Warned by the British 
Government the Maharaja of Baroda stopped helping Talpade. His 
efforts to make known the greatness of Vedic Shastras was recognised 
by Indian scholars, who gave him the title of Vidya Prakash Pra-deep.
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> Anti-Gravity Studies
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> The Indian Emperor Ashoka started a "Secret Society of the Nine 
Unknown Men": great Indian scientists who were supposed to catalogue 
the many sciences. Ashoka kept their work secret because he was 
afraid that the advanced science catalogued by these men, culled from 
ancient Indian sources, would be used for the evil purpose of war, 
which Ashoka was strongly against, having been converted to Buddhism 
after defeating a rival army in a bloody battle. The "Nine Unknown 
Men" wrote a total of nine books, presumably one each.
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> Book number was "The Secrets of Gravitation!" This book, known to 
historians, but not actually seen by them dealt chiefly with "gravity 
control." It is presumably still around somewhere, kept in a secret 
library in India, Tibet or elsewhere (perhaps even in North America 
somewhere). One can certainly undertand Ashoka's reasoning for 
wanting to keep such knowledge a secret, assuming it exists. if the 
Nazis had such weapons at their disposal during World War II. Ashoka 
was also aware devastating wars using such advanced vehicles and 
other "futuristic weapons" that had destoryed the ancient 
Indian "Rama Empire" several thousand years before.
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> According to ancient Indian texts, the people had flying machines 
which were called "Vimanas." The ancient Indian epic describes a 
Vimana as a double-deck, circular aircraft with portholes and a dome, 
much as we would imagine a flying saucer. It flew with the "speed of 
the wind" and gave forth a "melodious sound." There were at least 
four different types of Vimanas; some saucer shaped, others like long 
cylinders ("cigar shaped airships").
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> In 1875, the Vaimanika Sastra, a fourth century B.C. text written 
by Bharadvajy the Wise, using even older texts as his source, was 
rediscovered in a temple in India. It dealt with the operation of 
Vimanas and included information on the steering, precautions for 
long flights, protection of the airships from storms and lightening 
and how to switch the drive to "solar energy" from a free energy 
source which sounds like "anti-gravity."
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> The Vaimanika Sastra (or Vymaanika-Shaastra) has eight chapters 
with diagrams, describing three types of aircraft, including 
apparatuses that could neither catch on fire nor break. It also 
mentions 31 essential parts of these vehicles and 16 materials from 
which they are constructed, which absorb light and heat; for which 
reason they were considered suitable for the construction of 
Vimanas.�
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> This document has been translated into English and is available by 
writing the publisher: VYMAANIDASHAASTRA AERONAUTICS by Maharishi 
Bharadwaaja, translated into English and edited, printed and 
published by Mr. G. R. Josyer, Mysore, India, 1979. Mr. Josyer is the 
director of the International Academy of Sanskrit Investigation 
located in Mysore. There seems to be no doubt that Vimanas were 
powered by some sort of "anti-gravity." Vimanas took off vertically, 
and were .
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> Vimanas were kept in a Vimana Griha, a kind of hanger, and were 
sometimes said to be propelled by a yellowish-white liquid, and 
sometimes by some sort of mercury compound, though writers seem 
confused in this matter. It is most likely that the later writers on 
Vimanas, wrote as observers and from earlier texts, and were 
understandably confused on the principle of their propulsion. 
The "yellowishwhite liquid" sounds suspiciously like gasoline, and 
perhaps Vimanas had a number of different propulsion sources, 
including combustion engines and even "pulse-jet" engines.
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> It is interesting to note that when Alexander the Great invaded 
India more than two thousand years ago, his historians chronicled 
that at one point they were attacked by "flying, fiery shields" that 
dove at his army and frightened the cavalry. These "flying saucers" 
did not use any atomic bombs or beam weapons on Alexander's army 
however, perhaps out of benevolence, and Alexander went on to conquer 
India.
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> It is interesting to note, that the Nazis developed the first 
practical pulse-jet engines for their V-8 rocket "buzz bombs." Hitler 
and the Nazi staff were exceptionally interested in ancient India and 
Tibet and sent expeditions to both these places yearly, starting in 
the 30's, in order to gather esoteric evidence that they did so, and 
perhaps it was from these people that the Nazis gained some of their 
scientific information! According to the Dronaparva, part of the 
Mahabarata, and the Ramayana, one Vimana described was shaped like a 
sphere and born along at great speed on a mighty wind generated by 
mercury.
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> It moved like a UFO, going up, down, backwards and forwards as the 
pilot desired. In another Indian source, the Samar, Vimanas 
were "iron machines, well-knit and smooth, with a charge of mercury 
that shot out of the back in the form of a roaring flame." Another 
work called the Samaranganasutradhara describes how the vehicles were 
constructed. It is possible that mercury did have something to do 
with the propulsion, or more possibly, with the guidance system. 
Curiously, Soviet scientists have discovered what they call "age-old 
instruments used in navigating cosmic vehicles" in caves in Turkestan 
and the Gobi Desert.
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> The "devices" are hemispherical objects of glass or porcelain, 
ending in a cone with a drop of mercury inside. It is evident that 
ancient Indians flew around in these vehicles, all over Asia, to 
Atlantis presumably; and even, apparently, to South America. Writing 
found at Mohenjodaro in Pakistan (presumed to be one of the "Seven 
Rishi Cities of the Rama Empire") and still undeciphered, has also 
been found in one other place in the world: Easter Island! Writing on 
Easter Island, called Rongo-Rongo writing, is also undeciphered, and 
is uncannily similar to the Mohenjodaro script.�
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> In the Mahavira of Bhavabhuti, a Jain text of the eighth century 
culled from older texts and traditions, we read: "An aerial chariot, 
the Pushpaka, conveys many people to the capital of Ayodhya. The sky 
is full of stupendous flying-machines, dark as night, but picked out 
by lights with a yellowish glare-"
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> The Vedas, ancient Hindu poems, thought to be the oldest of all the 
Indian texts, describe Vimanas of various shapes and sizes: 
the "ahnihotra-vimana" with two engines, the "elephant-vimana" with 
more engines, and other types named after the kingfisher, ibis and 
other animals.
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> Unfortunately, Vimanas, like most scientific discoveries, were 
ultimately used for war. Atlanteans used their flying 
machines, "Vailixi," a similar type of aircraft, to literally try and 
subjugate the world, it would seem, if Indian texts are to be 
believed. The Atlanteans, known as "Asvins" in the Indian writings, 
were apparently even more advanced technologically than the Indians, 
and certainly of a more war-like temperment. Although no ancient 
texts on Atlantean Vailixi are known to exist, some information has 
come down through esoteric, "occult" sources which describe their 
flying machines. Similar, if not identical to Vimanas, Vailixi were 
generally "cigar shaped" and had the capability of manuvering 
underwater as well as in the atmosphere or even outer space. Other 
vehicles, like Vimanas, were saucer shaped, and could apparently also 
be submerged.
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> According to Eklal Kueshana, author of "The Ultimate Frontier," in 
an article he wrote in 1966, Vailixi were first developed in Atlantis 
20,000 years ago, and the most common ones are "saucershaped of 
generally trapezoidal cross-section with three hemispherical engine 
pods on the underside." "They use a mechanical antigravity device 
driven by engines developing approximately 80,000 horse power." The 
Ramayana, Mahabarata and other texts speak of the hideous war that 
took place, some ten or twelve thousand years ago between Atlantis 
and Rama using weapons of destruction that could not be imagined by 
readers until the second half of this century. The ancient 
Mahabharata, one of the sources on Vimanas, goes on to tell the 
awesome destructiveness of the war: "...(the weapon was) a single 
projectile charged with all the power of the Universe.
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> "ANCIENT VIMANA AIRCRAFT" - a Contribution by John Burrows Sanskrit 
texts are filled with references to gods who fought battles in the 
sky using Vimanas equipped with weapons as deadly as any we can 
deploy in these more enlightened times. For example, there is a 
passage in the Ramayana which reads: "The Puspaka car that resembles 
the Sun and belongs to my brother was brought by the powerful Ravan; 
that aerial and excellent car going everywhere at will .... that car 
resembling a bright cloud in the sky." ".. and the King [Rama] got 
in, and the excellent car at the command of the Raghira, rose up into 
the higher atmosphere."
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> In the Mahabharatra, an ancient Indian poem of enormous length, we 
learn that an individual named Asura Maya had a Vimana measuring 
twelve cubits in circumference, with four strong wheels. The poem is 
a veritable gold mine of information relating to conflicts between 
gods who settled their differences apparently using weapons as lethal 
as the ones we are capable of deploying. Apart from 'blazing 
missiles', the poem records the use of other deadly weapons. 'Indra's 
Dart' operated via a circular 'reflector'. When switched on, it 
produced a 'shaft of light' which, when focused on any target, 
immediately 'consumed it with its power'. In one particular exchange, 
the hero, Krishna, is pursuing his enemy, Salva, in the sky, when 
Salva's Vimana, the Saubha is made invisible in some way. Undeterred, 
Krishna immediately fires off a special weapon: 'I quickly laid on an 
arrow, which killed by seeking out sound'.
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> Many other terrible weapons are described, quite matter of factly, 
in the Mahabharata, but the most fearsome of all is the one used 
against the Vrishis. The narrative records: "Gurkha flying in his 
swift and powerful Vimana hurled against the three cities of the 
Vrishis and Andhakas a single projectile charged with all the power 
of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and fire, as 
brilliant as ten thousands suns, rose in all its splendour. It was 
the unknown weapon, the Iron Thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of 
death which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and 
Andhakas." It is important to note, that these kinds of records are 
not isolated. They can be cross-correlated with similiar reports in 
other ancient civilizations.
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> The after-affects of this Iron Thunderbolt have an ominously 
recognizable ring. Apparently, those killed by it were so burnt that 
their corpses were unidentifiable. The survivors fared little etter, 
as it caused their hair and nails to fall out. Perhaps the most 
disturbing and challenging, information about these allegedly 
mythical Vimanas in the ancient records is that there are some matter-
of-fact records, describing how to build one. In their way, the 
instructions are quite precise. In the Sanskrit Samarangana 
Sutradhara, it is written: "Strong and durable must the body of the 
Vimana be made, like a great flying bird of light material. Inside 
one must put the mercury engine with its iron heating apparatus 
underneath. By means of the power latent in the mecrcury which sets 
the driving whirlwind in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a 
great distance in the sky. The movements of the Vimana are such that 
it can vertically ascend, vertically descend, move slanting forwards 
and backwards. With the help of the machines human beings can fly in 
the air and heavenly beings can come down to earth."
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> The Hakatha (Laws of the Babylonians) states quite 
unambiguously: "The privilege of operating a flying machine is great. 
The knowledge of flight is among the most ancient of our 
inheritances. A gift from 'those from upon high'. We received it from 
them as a means of saving many lives." More fantastic still is the 
information given in the ancient Chaldean work, The Sifrala, which 
contains over one hundred pages of technical details on building a 
flying machine. It contains words which translate as graphite rod, 
copper coils, crystal indicator, vibrating spheres, stable angles, 
etc.
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> Ancient Indian Aircraft Technology From The Anti-Gravity Handbook 
by D. Hatcher Childress Many researchers into the UFO enigma tend to 
overlook a very important fact. While it assumed that most flying 
saucers are of alien, or perhaps Governmental Military origin, 
another possible origin of UFOs is ancient India and Atlantis. What 
we know about ancient Indian flying vehicles comes from ancient 
Indian sources; written texts that have come down to us through the 
centuries. There is no doubt that most of these texts are authentic; 
many are the well known ancient Indian Epics themselves, and there 
are literally hundreds of them. Most of them have not even been 
translated into English yet from the old sanskrit. The Indian
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> Reference: New Evidence of Ancient Indian Science Of Space Travel 
Source: Conspiracy Journal #205 April 11, 2003
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