--- In [email protected], "Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > It's a *fight*. There are things to *overcome* > > And worse, they are parts of *ourselves*. The > > enlightenment process is viewed as *adversarial*, > > something one must struggle to achieve. > > First part yes, I think most religious people think there are bad > qualities they have to overcome. But then it is GOD fighting the > demons - not man!
Uh, Michael...have you forgotten that you're talking to a person who doesn't believe that God exists? :-) Throwing out Big Bad Bob as an argument doesn't quite give your stance quite the authority you think it does. :-) > This is the problem you have Barry - > as you think, it is you who are the actor - you project this > attitude to all others. But for others who have surrendered, > it is God who does the job, people just have to believe in > Rama, and he protects them and fights their inner demons - > thats the gist of all these stories. You bring the light, > and the darkness goes automatically - to give you a more > familiar formulation of he same logic. > > You will never understand this, because your attitude is > completely different. And because I'm so much less evolved than you are, eh? :-) That, after all, was the essence of your response to Vaj the other day about bhakti. If he didn't dig it, he just wasn't evolved enough to dig it, whereas you are. I threw a nugget into that thread that you didn't respond to at all -- that among some spiritual traditions bhakti (the focus on form) is regarded as a *remedial* practice for those who are unable to focus on the formless. They're just points of view, Michael. One is not better than the other. But you are *clearly* presenting the bhakti POV as better than the others. You do so over and over and over, and then when you're called on it you claim you're not doing it. You are. It's implicit in the language you use. "This is the problem you have..." Or below, "part of my predicament." You LOOK DOWN at my way of perceiving the world. And you are very, very, very, very threatened by it. If you weren't you wouldn't believe that I'm trying to "show you the right way." I'm not. I never have been. I'm just trying to point out ANOTHER way. If you feel threatened by it, that's YOUR samskara, dude. > Thats part of your predicament - that you think you > ethically responsible to show us the right way, and the > perceived misconceptions in the TM movement. A religiously > inclined person will leave he job to God. If your predilection is to believe that Big Bad Bob is going to do it all for you, and that makes you happy, go for it. I'm not trying to sell you another Way. But you seem to think I am. > Nature knows best ... ONLY if "Nature" can "know." That presumes the existence of a sentient Big Bad Bob. I am less presumptuous... :-)
