I use the term "dharma" to refer to a way of being within the context of a particular state of consciousness. Waking state is a particular way of being that entails personal responsibility among many other things. CC is a particular way of being that is quite different in many ways from waking state. To take an understanding of action from waking state and then to try to comprehend an understanding of action in CC will just create massive confusion. Of course people do this all the time as a rationalization for wrong action in waking state. They'll say such nonsense as, "I didn't do it, the three gunas did." or some such ilk. While you can comprehend, quite clearly, waking state from CC, you can't even remotely understand CC from waking state.
--- hyperbolicgeometry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --That's the flaw in your reasoning, Peter: supposed > multiple > Dharmas. There's just "Dharma"...not one for CC, > one for other > states, etc. In any state of awareness, desires > "occur" since they > are DRIVEN by bodily impulses which are ingrained > patterns of > behavior. (occuring before, and after > Enlightenment). The delusional > ego in the state of ignorance is not the source of > desires. It's only > a fictional actor, while the real actor is the body. > In > Enlightenment, the fictional actor (the ego > resulting from false > identifcation) is absent; but the REAL actor with > all of its impules, > inihibitions, limitations, and ingrained behaviors > remains, even > beyond the grave. > > > - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- yhvhworld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --Is this supposed to be some type of excuse for > > > immoral behavior? > > > Things just don't "happen". People (victims - > > > women...get raped, for > > > example, little boys get fondled.) These are > > > crimes, > > > not "happenings".. > > > > Of course they are. Who said they aren't?. Waking > > state has its own dharma and CC has its own > dharma. > > You can't cross understanding of these two dharmas > or > > you come to these ridiculous conclusions. > > > > > > > > > > > > - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > Sutphen > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > > Sutphen > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > An unenlightened person looks at an > > > enlightened > > > > > person > > > > > > and they appear to have desires. They > talk, > > > they > > > > > move, > > > > > > they eat food, they do this and that, they > > > prefer > > > > > one > > > > > > thing over another. > > > > > > > > > > What is it that is actually driving the > speach, > > > > > movements, eating? > > > > > And when there are preferences, why is one > thing > > > > > preferred over > > > > > another? > > > > > > > > > > If an answer is Brahman then does Brahman > have a > > > > > sense of "I"?. > > > > > > > > > > Rick Carlstrom > > > > > > > > In waking state there is a foundational > confound > > > > between consciousness and the experiential > sense > > > of > > > > "I". This "I" is ego. Because consciousness is > > > > projected into and identified with body/mind > there > > > is > > > > a bound sense of self: individuality. This ego > > > assumes > > > > ownership for action. Thus in waking state we > > > assume > > > > that action occurs because "I" am intending > it. > > > But in > > > > enlightenment it becomes rather clear that > there > > > is no > > > > "I" to intend or not to intend anything. > Action > > > just > > > > occurs or not occurs. Thoughts just occur or > not > > > > occur. Feelings just occur or not occur. There > is > > > no > > > > "I" that takes ownership. The "I" actually > does > > > not > > > > exist. But it appears to exist in waking state > and > > > is > > > > confused with consciousness. What drives the > > > > behavior/thought/feeling of the enlightened is > > > what > > > > drives everything phenomenal: > God/Nature/Mystery, > > > > whatever. This is actually driving people in > > > waking > > > > state too, but they think that subjective > sense of > > > "I" > > > > is doing it. It's quite the delusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact from the behavioral level > > > > > > there is no difference between the > > > unenlightened > > > > > and > > > > > > the enlightened. But the enlightened > person is > > > not > > > > > > "there" in the way the unenlightened > person > > > > > believes > > > > > > themselves to be. There is no sense of > "I" or > > > > > "mine" > > > > > > in the enlightened person. There is no > > > subjective > > > > > > "self" that sees itself as "me" or "I" . > That > > > just > > > > > > goes in enlightenment. The best an > enlightened > > > > > person > > > > > > can say is that they are "nothing." They > > > aren't > > > > > there > > > > > > in they way an unenlightened person > believes > > > they > > > > > are > > > > > > there. There is no personal identity or > self > > > in > > > > > > enlightenment. The mind can't understand > this > > > > > because > > > > > > it confounds a sense of individual self > with > > > > > > consciousness. The two have no > relationship > > > what > > > > > so > > > > > > ever. A personal self is a product of > > > > > consciousness > > > > > > projecting into mind and experiencing > itself > > > as > > > > > bound. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Or go to: > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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