--- In [email protected], Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > sparaig wrote: > >> > >> Most meditation techniques are like the TM advanced technique except > >> they have the full mantra and are for another "deity" which provides a > >> different and positive effect and certainly not dullness and stress is > >> also dissolved. Let's not "spin doctor" with such ignorant bullshit > >> from the MarshyBots. > >> > >> > > > > Well, I run into plenty of people who claim that meditation xyz is "just > > like TM" > > but USUALY I found it is because they don't understand TM (or perhaps their > > own meditation tradition for that matter, come to think of it). > > > > Do you agree with Barry's claim that TM can adequately be described by > > "thinking some magic words" to yourself? > > > > Lawson > Mantra shastra is based on nada yoga, the science of sound. You can't > take any old words and make them work. Musicians should understand > this. Some words are going to be dissonant and others consonant in > their effect. The mantras have survived because they work and can be > refined to very subtle levels (due to the vowels they use). Try that > with the word "boat" which won't refine very well. >
MMY claims, and such is my experience, that there is no limit to how refined a mantra can get. For that matter, while perhaps TM mantras facilitate the refinement process due to some innate nature, I believe that ANY mental device, not just a sound, can be used to refine perception to an arbitrarily deep level. The so-called mindfulness method of watching the breathing is an example of a reasonable example of using breath as the object of attention for a dhyan technique. The fact that it is an outwardly directed object of attention *probably* makes it less effective than an internal object of attention, but MMY's principle of allowing attraction to a refined object of attention should still apply to some extent since perception, even outward, will tend to refine, as one's mental state quiets down due to the relaxation process and the ultimate outcome of refined attention will be transcendence. Lawson
