--- In [email protected], "yifuxero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --You're confusing the issues. MMY definitely taught Advaita (non- > duality - Cf. Science of Being and Art of Living, and BG). But true, > one can make a case that he and the TMO as a whole is/was short on > compassion....compared to Amma or the Dalai Lama.
How many advaita teachers are selling a gazillion products, saying you have to live a house facing east to get enlightened, need to dye and fade the cloth for a lifetime to get enlightened, need to pay pundits to do yagyas to deal with bad planets, set up a rigid hierarchy of less to more enlightened positions within his mov't, have a mov't even????? I can't think of a less advaitic teacher than mmy. > - In [email protected], "amarnath" <anatol_zinc@> > wrote: > > > > some good points curtis, thanks, > > > > i have known a TM teacher who has been at it now for 40 years > > and if anything his biases and bigotries have increased > > > > he is now retired > > and during the Katarina instead of voluntaring, > > he was making big bucks in FEMA > > and still is due to his political connections > > he was supposed to help those who he looks down upon > > > > he is all take, take and take > > > > now, he believes the Muslims are out to dominate the world > > and should be done away with > > > > several other TM teachers similarly seem to be stuck in their own > > egoic trips, either trying to survive or still trying to become > > successful > > at this or that; also I noticed that it's harder for TM teachers, > > especially those with more success, > > to get into advaita because of holding on to MMY's misguided > teachings > > which sounded really good to me also, for many many years > > > > as far as I can figure, most TM Siddhi Bliss is at the Bliss Body > level > > and does not lead to compassion spontaneously > > and is actually a blockage to real awakening > > > > for real awakening, the siddhis and the bliss have to be > surrendered > > > > that's why Amma says Love has to be manifested( practiced ) > > in order to develop real compassion (or something like that) > > > > Love is for giving away not for keeping > > the more you give away the more the flow > > > > the real bliss of the Self is different from the bliss of the "bliss > > body" > > as I understand it > > > > part of the problem as I see it, is that MMY did not teach what > all the > > masters > > in the holy tradition taught; for instance Shankara taught "advaita" > > and MMY did not; no matter what the path, i believe that all > genuine > > mahatmas taught "advaita" correctly at least "as a goal" > > not necessarily as a practice as in self-inquiry > > > > just my POV > > all teachings are just various POVs > > > > amma bless, > > anatol > > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > This is one of the areas where I disagree with Maharishi. I > think his > > > traditional understanding of the states of mind brought about > through > > > practicing meditation gives them attributes that they just do not > > have. > > > > > > In my experience compassion and kindness is a choice that is often > > > cultivated by experiencing some humbling times in your own life. > > > > > > The person who says, "Oh the poor are all just choosing it, they > need > > > to pull themselves up by their boot straps and work harder" has > > > probably never had a catastrophic series of events that knocked > them > > > down to the point were they needed a lift. > > > > > > A lot of these values come from our parents early on as well and > how > > > we reacted to their programming, sometimes it can come out as the > > > reverse of what they wanted, but these are core values. Some of > them > > > have roots in our social primate past. But even our chimp cousins > > > have a range of behaviors from selfish to exhibiting enlightened > self > > > interest by acting in the interest of the group. Self sacrifice > is > > > also found in some social animal groups. > > > > > > But getting back to meditation and its claim to make people > kinder or > > > even more sensitive to the needs of others just by mechanically > doing > > > the practice... can't we call this one here and now? We all know > a > > > few too many long term meditators to make such a claim. It just > > > doesn't hold up, does it? > > > > > > And I'm not sure adding in religion shifts the balance too much > > > either. Too much talk and not enough walk, plus each religion has > > > conditions where you can act like a total dick to others, so it > > > becomes a choice of who to apply the "judgment" side to. > Dickishness > > > becomes easier to apply if you only hang out with similar people > in > > > customs and mindset, and harder if you mix it up more and know > people > > > with radically different backgrounds and POVs. The effect of > > > interacting with different people from different cultures seem > like a > > > good way to increase tolerance of others which is a good start on > > > compassion. You don't see them as the "others" so much. > > > > > > So ethics from practicing meditation...I don't buy it. It may > help a > > > person become comfortable with themself, which for some people > may be > > > a basis for being compassionate with others. But I've seen a bit > too > > > much evidence that this can go either way to even claim this. > > > > > > >>>> > > >
