--- In [email protected], t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > Now, now. DOn't let the facts get in the way of the > hate-fest... > > > > > > > > I don't think that there is hate here. People are just trying to > > > > understand what's going on. No need to charge up the retoric. > > > > Criticism sure, dislike sure, hate-fest, I doubt it. > > > > > > I see it a bit differently. Every time a negative story about MMY > is > > > recounted, there's a crowd of people here who automatically > accept > > > it as true. These same people automatically doubt or reject > outright > > > any positive story. > > > > One of the differences, Lawson, is that many if not > > most of the people here are TM *teachers*, > > It's interesting how you make still appeals to authority of being a > teacher, even though you long ago left the movement. So much for > elitarian thinking. No you are not a teacher anymore you have just > been un-certified, eat it Unc. ;-> > > > as opposed > > to the forum you're more used to. They've been around > > the block a few times, heard all the stories, and have > > found out for themselves how many of the "postive" ones > > are a steaming pile of bull crap. And, more important, > > they've been on the "front lines" for years or decades, > > dealing with these same questions from others, telling > > them the same bull crap, as they were taught to. > > In direct answer to Lawson, I just posted a few citations I happened > to find this morning, and in thinking about sharing them somehow, it > wasn't hard to find a thread here 'appropriate', - there is always > one, always jumping into ones eye. Do I agree with MMY on every item? > No, certainly not. But I have left TM long,long time ago, and after a > period of distancing myself from some ideas, I have come to aprreciate > its overall positive effect on my life. And above that, I know enough > of the Vedic tradition to understand it in terms of these. IOW, if you > are critzising a holy man (supposed he is holy of course, which no one > knows for sure, neither to the positive nor to the negative), then you > insult the gods, whom this person is walking with. Thats why in India > people are careful of Sadhus. You shouldn't insult one, even if they > are weird. It's not that *they* want anything bad to you then (as they > maybe beyond ego) but there are entities feeling very protective about > them, whom you call on then. > > The other point is that you hurt the feelings of those who are still, > unlike you, in a Guru disciple relationship. You are simply being > direspectful to them - and in your case out of no need at all, simply > being intellectually mischievious. > > > Look at the home page for this group, at the "mission > > statement" posted there. This is a place for people who > > think for themselves, and are proud of that. > > And so am I. And thats exactly why I tell this here. It is my POV, I > tell you the implications and the back up from the scriptures. So my > POV is not one of intellectual immaturity, as you seem to suggest, but > one of spiritual maturity, actually one of tolerance towards those who > still follow the path I already left. > > > When some- > > one comes here trying to impress by telling the same old > > warmed-over tall tales we've heard for years, using > > *exactly* the same words they were told in when we first > > heard them, using *exactly* the same words *we* used when > > *we* told them, or were *taught* to tell them, it doesn't > > quite have the effect you are hoping for. > > I have used other words, but I doubt it will change a dot for you. > > > > Is there dissatisfaction here with Maharishi personally > > and the TM organization? Well, duh? How could one be > > a thinking individual looking at either dispassionately > > and not feel some dissatisfaction? > > But how could this be an issue with you at all? You are not a part of > the Org anymore, you use different techniques, just like I do, so what > is YOUR concern about it, - except trashing those who believe? I hate > this honestly, this is anti-devotional, and there is no reason for > anybody to be like that. > > So, if you are called 'anti-TMer' think about why you are being called > like that. You surely hurt people and their practise. And like others > here (Vaj) try to spread confusion.
I think your posts are very wise t3rinity. I've often wondered why the need for certain people here to be so aggressively negative. Probably they have a need to spread confusion and doubt. The reasons for why one could only speculate. But it doesn't really matter that much - Maharishi and his followers will just keep going anyway and let their critics continue to growl in the dark. Swami Muktananda said when he visited Seelisberg: "Many have asked me about Maharishi, but I could not give an answer as we had never met. Now I can say; just stay aboard this ship and your captain will take you safely across." You indicate from the scriptures that they are doing themselves a disfavor and Maharishi seems to support this thinking: "Do not critize - critisism is dangerous to immortality." Warm thoughts in your direction t3rinity ! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
