--- In [email protected], ruthsimplicity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], ruthsimplicity <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > ><snip> . . then the person > > > > experiences "Self" as an unwavering background for all normal mental > > > activity. > This is called "Cosmic Consciousness" in TM parlance. > > > > > > As Turq mentions, our language is a bit inadequate to talk about these > > > concepts, but I certainingly experience "self" as an unwavering > > > background for all normal mental activity. So I guess, I don't really > > > know what you meant. > > > > > > > Well, its a normal thing, according to MMY, but... > > > > How do you describe your "self" to other people? > > > > And, do you feel hat your "self" is there, even when you sleep? > > > > I don't mean to claim in any way that I am enlightened. I don't > describe my "self" to other people. What is there to describe? You > end up with weird statements like "I am" or whatever.>>
I find the "Self" to be a bit of a silly term too, but I do not clain to be enlightened either. I do know that the purifying bliss-fire that physically changes the body feels alien to me in some ways, and yet it is so powerful no being in the universe can possibly avoid being sub-servient to it, and you wouldn't want to either. The concept would be absurd, even though in the beginning you feel like you are being annihilated, and resist it greatly. Later you just give up to it. As world consciousness rises there will be no escape from it (even by those fools that will still be shouting "its just attachment to feel- good!" as they are submerged and consumed by its power forevermore.) > What I am trying to figure out is what people mean by things like > enlightenment and bliss and witnessing and consciousness, etc. Tough job.>> I think pursuing 'enlightenment is a waste of time and basically drives people nuts and/or makes them like some kind of autistic compulsive type gibbering on about ""enlightenment, oooo, where's the enlightenment?"" There are a few of them on FFL. Maharishi pretty much describes enlightenment as when the body and mind no longer store karma as stress (which builds up like unwanted gunk in an engine) and also he said a million times that 24 hour bliss (witnessing sleep in bliss) is a good marker stone. I have neither of these and I don't care about that, but I have many times had prolonged periods of these, and the bliss I have experienced almost every night, is undoubtedly more like a purifying fire from Heaven (or somewhere higher) than some feelgood chillin' out thang, that the descenters on FFL think it is because they have never experienced the bliss-fire. OffWorld
