--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > > When it comes to TM dogma, definitely.  When it comes
> > > to individual stories, many are perfectly true.  Some
> > > are not.  Either way, to me, they're just stories, man.
> > > You seem to be expecting me to react to them as if
> > > they were something more.
> > 
> > I wasn't talking about dogma. I was talking about specific 
stories 
> > that you appeared tob e saying were scripted.
> 
> Some of the stories *are* scripted, Lawson.  They
> are told to prospective teachers on TTC and repeated
> almost verbatim, as if they were catechism, once they
> become teachers.  One rather important example pops
> to mind -- the story of Trotaka.  It's a sweet story
> and all, but if you analyze its intent, it is to 
> praise the value of always mindlessly doing exactly
> what the teacher says, and how that's better than
> other paths.
> 
> The "individual stories" that other people tell, from
> their own experience, are just that, individual stories.
> They "mean" whatever they mean to the storyteller.  My
> point is simply that such stories are often used as
> thought-stoppers, the way a couple of them have been
> used here lately.  Sorta like, "Well listen to *this* 
> story...are you not convinced that Maharishi is 
> grrrreeeeeaaaat after hearing that one?"  :-)
> 
> Unc

The story of Anoop CHandola hearing from the Shankaracharya of the 
North that MMY was his first choice to be his sucessor is Chandola's 
own story. He never learned official "TM." He learned meditation from 
Swami Shantananda Shankaracharya,as did his family. The local TM 
center always invited him to all functions, however.

Joyce Weaver's story about Satchananda squishing a bug was a first-
hand account as far as I know. Ditto with MMY yelling at some 
workers. Virginia Duncan, whom I *think* was the one who told it to 
me, was on one of the earliest TTCs in India.

I've heard plenty of Movement-variant stories that sound like they 
came from INdries Shaw's Tales of the Sufi. I've heard MMY himself 
repeat a few. He's never claimed they were about him, only 
about "some sage."







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