--- In [email protected], "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Ever notice that quite a few people have made their most signifcant
> progress after leaving Maharishi - Amber Terrel, Susan Segal, all 
the
> beakaway folks, SSRS etc... Maybe it's just growing up. Son becomes 
a
> father, Student becomes a teacher. It happens.

And sadly, sometimes it happens only *by* leaving 
the teacher.  One of the trends I've noticed in the
spiritual smorgasbord, especially among the teachers
who are more charismatic and popular, is that while
the whole professed goal of the trip is for students
to realize enlightenment, no student is ever allowed
to realize enlightenment.

That is, when someone starts having "good experiences"
and talks about them openly, the student is often put
down by the teacher and/or shunned.  The student is
described as delusional.  Some are actually kicked out
of organizations for starting to experience what the
people in the organization claim that everyone wants
to experience.  Go figure.

I'm *not* talking just about the TMO here, although
we've certainly seen that phenomenon there.  I'm say-
ing that one can see the same phenomenon in *many*
different spiritual trips.  I find it equally sad in
all of them.  It's like it becomes more important for
the teacher to maintain the teacher-student disparity
than anything else.  And when these situations arise,
you learn very quickly which teachers have *never* 
believed that their students would reach their level,
and are quite threatened when one of them does.  It's
a real puzzler...

Unc







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