--- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> CC is "baby" awakening. Cessation of identification of 
consciousness with mind. End of "I" and "me". 

Ut oh Peter, now you have done it! You called CC "baby awakening". Tom
is going to go totally ballistic! I quoted you sometime back as CC
being "baby steps" and Tom lambsted me up and down for 3-4 posts as to
why there was nothing "baby" about it. But with Sat Yuga and all,
maybe things are mellower. You yourself are even making what you
previous called "huge epistimological mistakes!" and laughing it away.

On a more serious note, do you singularly define CC as "Cessation of
identification of  consciousness with mind. End of 'I' and 'me'"? Do
you feel "No I"  is both nexcessary and sufficient to label the
experience "CC"? Without relying on dogmatic kneejerks, it does seems
there are additional "attributes" along with or beyond the experience
of "No I". 

Though as you know I am no fan or labeling any experience or person
with such labels, it seems that if one does enjoy that exercise, they
may be jumping the gun a bit to "ring the bell of Eureka" of CC simple
when experience "no I". But as people often remind me that I know
nothing, I tend to agree.

Though as Tom has claimed there are 58 million flavors of awakening at
the Awakening /IceCream store. I just wonder if plain vanilla is
really the same as triple jamaca almond machadamion nut ghee-fudge
blueberry mocha mintchip chavanaprash cherry saffron swirl with gold
leaf topping?  





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