--- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > CC is "baby" awakening. Cessation of identification of 
> consciousness with mind. End of "I" and "me". 
> 
> Ut oh Peter, now you have done it! You called CC "baby awakening". 
Tom
> is going to go totally ballistic! I quoted you sometime back as CC
> being "baby steps" and Tom lambsted me up and down for 3-4 posts as 
to
> why there was nothing "baby" about it.


Actually, MMY has characterized CC as "merely normal," and 
as "glorified ignorance."

All that CC is is when there is 24/7 presence of Self. The claim 
that "I" and "me" goes away is either a mis-identification of CC with 
extreme unstressing resulting in pathological derealization, or a 
misinterpretation of what MMY is describing.



 But with Sat Yuga and all,
> maybe things are mellower. You yourself are even making what you
> previous called "huge epistimological mistakes!" and laughing it 
away.
> 
> On a more serious note, do you singularly define CC as "Cessation of
> identification of  consciousness with mind. End of 'I' and 'me'"? Do
> you feel "No I"  is both nexcessary and sufficient to label the
> experience "CC"? Without relying on dogmatic kneejerks, it does 
seems
> there are additional "attributes" along with or beyond the 
experience
> of "No I". 
> 
> Though as you know I am no fan or labeling any experience or person
> with such labels, it seems that if one does enjoy that exercise, 
they
> may be jumping the gun a bit to "ring the bell of Eureka" of CC 
simple
> when experience "no I". But as people often remind me that I know
> nothing, I tend to agree.
> 
> Though as Tom has claimed there are 58 million flavors of awakening 
at
> the Awakening /IceCream store. I just wonder if plain vanilla is
> really the same as triple jamaca almond machadamion nut ghee-fudge
> blueberry mocha mintchip chavanaprash cherry saffron swirl with gold
> leaf topping?




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