Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques

[Llundrub]

I think what Bob means is that if a person can hold a house in one hand then they cannot use the mantra OM.   Oh, I see you used the plural - householders. In this case the same applies.  If one can hold a house in two hands then they cannot use the mantra OM.   On the other hand, what constitutes use exactly? For instance, I once worked with someone who said they were a great chef, who used an old garden trowel for a pie spatula. It certainly had a poor effect upon his reputation and earning ability.    Maybe one shouldn't clear their throat because it sounds like Om.   Men technically shouldn't pluck their eyebrows.   The reason oysters shouldn't be eaten certain months is that they also need to live.   Chickens cross the road because they weren't eaten.   Chicken Little was a chicken and shouldn't have been held to a level of human understanding.   Mantras like words can be used to voice ones own aspirations or to toe the company line. In either case a dictionary never hurts.   None of the above.   Use it or lose it.   Om or Mo, who knows?   I mixed too many weird foods today so I couldn't sleep and just threw up.  I'll still eat Mexican food though in the future.   Om Mani Peme Hung.   Om Tare Tutare Ture Soha.   Om Bhu Om Bhuvaha Om Swaha Om Maha Om Janaha Om Tapaha Om Satyam Om tat savitur varenyam bhargo devasya dimahi diyo yonaha prachodiyat.   Om Hoom Joom Sah Om Triam Bhakam Yajamahe Sugandhim Pushti Vardenam Urvar Ukamikam Bandhinan Mrityur Mookshaya Mamritat Sah Joom Hoom Om.   I'm still standing....   Intention is everything.   This is probably why Shiva has been excluded from the TMO.         ----- Original Message ----- From: Ingegerd To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 3:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques I have a question about Ohm. I got some mantras from one of MMY Pudits - a Professor in Sanskrit - and the instruction how to use it - and they contain Ohm. I am meditating TM of course - but when I use the Mantras with OHM, they are very powerful and blissfull - and gives a lot of energy. So when you say "householders", do you only mean celebacy - or do you mean common activities in the society as well. I have a lot of common activities in society, and I do not find The Ohm mantras are any hindrance for that. Quite opposite, I think. So I was really surprised when I in this Forum, learned the Ohm- Mantras in not for women. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > >  > > > I'm not sure what Maharishi has said about the AUM sound; > > > > > > OM is the first sound of creation, it contains all the energy in an > undifferentiated form that is later structured by the hymns of the > Vedas. So if you are living in a cave, using OM as a mantra, which > aligns one with the undifferentiated, is OK, since a cave dweller does > not need to function in society. But OM (used a mantra for meditation, > not just the occasional use in saying a prayer or whatever) is a > problem for a householder who needs to function in many differentiated > ways, that's why there are householder mantras (derived from the Rig > Veda). As far as ladies not using OM as a mantra, I have read a lot of > Vedic literature and I don't recall any (human) ladies following the > recluse path (although there were certainly some fascinating stories of > ladies leading their husbands to enlightenment like Queen Cuddala does > for Sikhidvaja in the Yoga Vasistha), so because the householder path > is the way to go for ladies, this would lead to barring the possibility > of use of OM mantra for ladies. > > > Maharishi on sanyasi mantra (OM): > > http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/beacon/beacon2.shtml > > "he mantras that suit the Sanyasis can never suit the householders. > Hundreds of God-loving and God-fearing families, have been ruined due > to the destructive effects of Sanyasa Mantra viz, "Om". "Om" destroys > desires and also destroys the objects of desires and therefore it > produces calmness of mind and renunciation and detachment from material > life only to Sanyasis when they repeat Om; to them it brings the > experience of peace of mind and from this experience they generally > recommend the chanting of 'Om' to their followers. But when a > householder repeats Om, he experiences that as long as he is > repeating 'Om' he feels peace of mind, but when he comes out to indulge > in business or household work, he finds that the air is against his > desire and schemes. The silencing effect on the mind and destructive > effects in material life, both are experienced side by side. Some > people say that we should ignore material life in regard to the > devotional practices and Mantras. But this is a fool's ideology. Can > you possibly ignore the considerations of material life, when the > Mantras do affect it? Select a path which will make you happier in your > material life also. Do not live in a fool's paradise. Do not think that > your sufferings end miseries of today will work as reservations in the > galleries of heaven for tomorrow. Be peaceful and happy in the present > and try to make this state permanent. This is the path of Deliverance > in Life Jeevan-Mukti, the most exalted state in human existence, the > state of abiding Peace and Eternal Bliss. And this you are entitled to > have through correct and suitable Sadhana. And because the Mantras play > an important role in the field of Sadhana, you must be very very > careful in the selection of the Mantra. The theory of Mantras is the > theory of sound. It is most scientific and natural. Ladies should never > repeat any Mantra beginning with Om. The pronounciation of Om is like > fire to the ladies. This is the practical experience of many devoted > ladies who repeated 'Om Namah Shivaya' or 'Om Namonarayanaya' or 'Om > Namo Bhagwate Vasudevaya' or any such mantra beginning with Om. It > cannot be God's wish that you should suffer in your devotion to him. Do > not cling to the unhelpful Mantras. The moment you find you have got > into the wrong train, it is wise to get down from it as soon as > possible. It is foolish to stick on to the wrong train and go wherever > it takes you." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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