--- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote: > > > > From a friend: > > > > > > > > I don't know if this has been brought up or not on FFLife but a > very very > > longtime dear friend of mine who I have known since 1969, who left > TM many > > years ago for Austin, TX and Swami-ji (Swami Prakashanand > Saraswati) and > > that whole shtick, just called to tell me the sh*t is about to hit > the fan > > with the Guru of that organization and also the Gurus's Guru (in > India). > > Seems Swamiji and his Guru in India have been having sex and lots > of it with > > the lady devotees for year years now INCLUDING minor girls as young > as 10 > > years of age. Swamiji has been arrested in the U.S. and is > presently free on > > $11 million bail which has been paid by our old friend Peter > Spiegel who is > > a very longtime devotee of Swamiji. > > > > > > > > This friend of mine knows this is 100% true as she herself had sex > with the > > Guru's Guru (In India) and said that the women and children were > told that > > it was an honor to have sex with these men as they are saints and > also that > > they should not tell their parents and husbands. Many of the women > and > > children have now come forward. Of course, much as we know from TM, > there is > > a giant schism. The "True Believers" fail to believe that the truth > of the > > allegations and go so far as to say that even so, what difference > does it > > make, these men are saints, therefore nothing they can do is wrong > and > > anyone who talks down about this will incur nothing but bad karma. > > > > > > > > http://www.sajaforum.org/2008/04/arrested-barsan.html > > > > > Sounds a lot like what happened with Sri Chinmoy, Swami Shyam, and > Muktananda and, I guess, about a dozen other gurus. > > But I take issue with your observation, Rick, when you wrote: "Of > course, much as we know from TM, there is a giant schism." > > I see the parallel you are attempting to make but if there is a > schism in the TMO, it is s schism between true believer and true > believer. It affects not an iota people such as myself who actually > do the TM Program, which is NOT affected by the sordid revelations of > what gurus do on their own free time...TM will still work regardless. > > With TM, true believers, by definition, have to be off the program to > BE true believers. As such, that is the schism right there: a > practitioner of the TM Program is far removed from the true believers. > > You, Rick, are/were a "True Believer" TMer and NOT a practitioner of > the TM Program. If you were you wouldn't have been so affected by > the rumours and tales that the alleged paramours of MMY fed you > because that is what prompted your quitting your practise of TM, as > taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. > > Had you NOT been a True Believer, you would have snickered, wished > Maharishi got as much free and STD-safe poontang as his yoni could > stand, and you would have gone on with your life and your regular TM > Program practise without being so traumatized by having your guru > exposed. > > There's no crying in baseball and there's no gurus in TM. >
Well said. Lawson
