--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Of course, MY understanding is that MMY used Shankara's > description > > > of meditation as dying the cloth, combined with the traditional > > > Patanjali discussion of mind fluctuations, all wrapped up in > western > > > terminology ala Hans Selye... > > > > > > But hey, maybe he read Dianetics first. > > > > As I think I've mentioned before here, I doubt he's > > ever really read anything of the literature of > > Scientology or any other spiritual tradition. But > > Maharishi had a strong core follower in the early > > days of the movement who had been L. Ron Hubbard's > > personal secretary for many, many years, and she > > probably told him a few things about Hubbard. > > Right. I am of course not referring to the TM itself, but to the > explanation that is given especially at the second day checking, that > is stress release, and thought being an expression of it. The idea > that stresses, for example emotional are restored in the body and upon > release are giving rise to thought activity. The idea that the thought > will be not necessarily exact, but could respond by association. That > there is a mixture, i.e. a cluster of stress released. That there is a > cycle.
But this is exactly what the samskaras are in the Yogic tradition. Ever occur to you that maybe Hubbard was familiar with THAT? Its not the same, but you feel that he modelled it after the > auditing model of Dianetics. In a similar way, MMY has expressed his > admiration for Yogananda, and overtook things from him, most notably a > vebatim quote from one of Y's books in the secret steps. > > > I remember at Squaw Valley 1968 she mentioned her > > personal feelings that Hubbard was probably the > > most brilliant man she had ever met, but was at > > the same time (in her exact word) "certifiable." > > She felt that he had a streak of paranoia that > > influenced everything he ever did or wrote. > > Hubbard was a colorful personaility to say the least. Just last night > I did some internet research on all I could get hold on about > scientology. I have clearly experienced how through enlightenment > experiences concepts vanish, and realized that our conditioning is > holding us back. The idea to work on this conditioning is therefore > interesting to me. I found that Hubbard was obviously a big fan of > Aleister Crowley, and made some very secret mackic rituals with one of > his disciples called Jack Parson, he even overtook his girlfriend. > http://www.religio.de/atack/occ1.html > There is also some speculation that the word Dianetics is reminescent > of the Goddess Diana. Hubbard had appearances of a goddess he called > the Empress. Scientology became an amalgan between psychotherapy, > mackic and basically gnostic thought. In its later stages, from OT3 > on, it becomes a sort of psychotherapeutic exorcism. There is a > strange story called OT3,a sort of science fiction fairy tale you can > read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu > which accounts for the existence of quasy demonic uncounscious > souls,which occupy our body limbs by the thousands according to > Hubbard,and are conscequently exorcised,i.e. liberated through > auditing from OT3 to OT7. > See http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/fishman/index2.html > There is also a controversy about that according to sci religious > ideas have been implanted by the 'bad guy' xenu intohuman brains in > order to control us called R6. In the highest level OT8 one alledgedly > has to abondan these ideas see > http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/fishman/ot8b.html This is clearly > gnostic thought,were the creator of the heavens is being looked down > at as basically the imprisoner of thought. So scientology does retain > its originally gnostic/mackic attribute. In having a great emphazis on > reincarnation, karma, release of karma, identifying ourselves as Gods, > it is much closer to Hindu and Buddhist philosophy than to Xthianity, > which I think is a good thing. It also seems that the everage > practitioner is not necessarily acquqainted with these higher > philosophical aspects, and simply uses the tools to become more > 'aware' about his own conditioning, and releases it in a > non-judgemental way. I came across webpages of people who parted with > the organization for ovious reasons, but still did auditing, also of > the higher levels, and there are independed organizations offering it, > like http://freezoneamerica.org/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
