--- In [email protected], "Jeff Fischer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In Dianetics, one would not have to "relive" all such 
> imprints to become "Clear."  The collapse of the Reactive Bank
(that 
> portion of the mind that works on a totally stimulus-response
basis) 
> can occur rather quickly - like even in a session or two, although 
> that would be rare.

Interesting. Thank you for the correction. makes a lot of sense.

> If TM dissolves such imprints, one would experience, IMO, the
emotion 
> that is contained there (eg. anger, fear, apathy).  The difference
is 
> that in Dianetics, one relives the experience, reexperiencing the 
> emotion but in continuing to relive it, comes up the emotional
"tone 
> scale" until he is cheerful about it.  

I guess in not being overshadowed by the experience, i.e. just being
the witness?

> At this point the "reactive" 
> effect of that imprint is gone.  One then operates more under one's 
> own volitional control.
> 
> According to Dianetics, when something in your environment is
similar 
> to information stored in the engram, the emotion, unconsciousness
or 
> pain will be restimulated and will be to some degree reexperienced 
> (dramatized).  As this is usually on the sub conscious level, one 
> picks out something in the current environment to "blame" the 
> unwanted feelings on.  This is similar to Judy's idea (or MMY's)
that 
> as the stress is released in TM, one will have a thought that 
> reflects the "quality" of that imprint, rather than the actual 
> content of the stress being released.  

Thank you too, Jeff, this is what I was trying to say. I think now
everybody can see the similarities of both explanations. Now the
question is: whos was first? My guess is that scientology was first,
and MMY used that model, adapting it for his own purpose of Mantra
Meditation. It didn't change the meditation, but it changed how we see
it, and how we see our own progress. It's one of the puzzles showing
how MMY was trying to rid TM from its own religious heritage, or
rather transport it into a new terminology. IMO the 2nd day checking
explanation plus the prep lecture are the backbone of the TM ideology.




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