--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In [email protected], Vaj
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > On Jun 25, 2005, at 10:02 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In [email protected], Vaj
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Jun 25, 2005, at 8:20 PM, sparaig wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> --- In [email protected], Vaj
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Jun 25, 2005, at 4:06 PM, jim_flanegin
> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Vaj, reading over your words, you make TM
> sound so difficult,
> > >>>>> arduous even, if done correctly. I initially
> understood it to
> > > be a
> > >>>>> stress release technique, and still do it as
> such. I had a job
> > >>>>> recently where I awakened at 4:30am for a 60
> mile commute. I
> > > was
> > >>>>> always exhausted on my return each day and
> religiously fell
> > > asleep
> > >>>>> during every evening meditation.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Wasn't talking about TM but about a similar
> meditation practice
> > > that
> > >>>> goes about 5 stages beyond TM-style
> meditation.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Ah, I see. So in its beginning stages, its
> easy, but in the more
> > >>> advanced stages, it gets difficult?
> > >>
> > >> Not quite that simple :-) In the final stages
> it is possible to
> > >> "transcend" for four hours at a time,
> effortlessly. One sits 
> down,
> > >> decides how long they will meditate and
> finishes when they intend
> > > to.
> > >
> > > sounds very blissful, more so than I can
> possibly imagine. But why
> > > would you want to do that? What is the
> motivation, the benefit? 
> That
> > > I don't get.
> > 
> > Once one finally attains this there is rather
> dramatic shift in the 
> > nervous system. Physical bliss and mental bliss do
> arise, but once 
> that 
> > rapture fades then total stability can arise. Even
> befor ethis 
> though 
> > one will have attained taming and pacification of
> the mind, this 
> has a 
> > great benefit to the environment, as Patanjali
> notes. We talked 
> about 
> > this before when we talked about Thurman's _Inner
> Revolution_.
> > 
> > A noticeable benefit will be that entire complexes
> of negative 
> thought 
> > and destructive emotion are simply gone. The
> emotional afflictions 
> will 
> > begin to dissolve. Meditation on the Clear light
> becomes much 
> easier. 
> > There would be a long list of benefits if you
> wanted to list such 
> > things but really gaining the ability to pacify
> and tame the minds 
> of 
> > others is probably the finest thing.
> 
> Which ability you show quite amply.

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