Re: [FairfieldLife] TM & Laxity, was: For Vaj Re:Pitta-aggravating mantras

[Llundrub]

It's true that TM has always put me to sleep.  So as someone suggested, back at MIU I used to always take a nap before program, and since then I have ritually taken pseudoephedrine or drunk coffee before practice. The sleep during meditation was ok to a point, but then otherwise it was painful. My wife learned TM and quit after one week because all it did was put her to sleep and she would wake up with a headache.  I also stopped doing TM for many years for many reasons over the years. But I always found it a quick was to get still inside as well. Now I do it for a little bit and then when it seems to have accomplished its purification of my mind then I go into other practices which sem to have a better effect upon my mind and body as far as sense of wholeness.     ----- Original Message ----- From: Rory Goff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM & Laxity, was: For Vaj Re:Pitta-aggravating mantras --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote: > > On Jun 25, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > I also find that some > > gentle attentiveness vs. allowing the mind to just mess around makes a > > big > > difference in terms of clarity and frequency of transcending. > > > > At Estes Park, M quoted the Vedas as saying, "Be easy to us with gentle > > effort." > > > > And indeed this very simple attentiveness--or mindfulness--is one of > the key antidotes to laxity and torpor. But of course this is not > taught as part of TM, it's sad Rick that this is buried in some old > tape and not integrated into practice. I don't know about you, but I've > met a good number of meditators who ended up being drained by such > torpor. Laxity is believed to be a intentional mental process where the > meditative object (in this case Self or mantra) is not perceived with > vividness. Once meditation reaches the "effortless" stage (where one > simply sits and can transcend for at least an hour at a time with no > breaks) this tends to disappear as delusion is dissolved. I tend to agree with you about TM and torpor; this is part of why I quit the practice in 1982, the larger part being there was nowhere to "go" anymore. This latter understanding makes me wonder a bit about your statement about "transcending ... with no breaks." From where I stand now anyhow, the belief that one can "be" without thought is as absurd as the belief that one can "be" without silence. It seems more to me that the two are utterly the same, and any belief otherwise would be the result of being stunned by an apparent contrast in subtleties. Of course I may well be delusional. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.