--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Jun 26, 2005, at 9:59 AM, authfriend wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Wow, I never heard that the absence of thoughts
> > > > > > in TM indicates an absence of "progress."  Is
> > > > > > that something MMY says that I've somehow
> > > > managed
> > > > > > to miss?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yeah, whatever happened to the gap gets bigger and
> > > > bigger?
> > > > 
> > > > Ask Barry; he's a former TM teacher.  Maybe
> > > > that's what he taught his students.  Sure is
> > > > news to me.
> > > 
> > > What in the hell is all this distorted TM "teaching"?
> > > Are you guys that are spouting this TM teachers?
> > > Because MMY never, ever mentioned this stuff in the
> > > context of explaining experiences during meditation.
> > > 
> > yeah, I don't remember a word of it either, and that's after 
> > hundreds of hours of tapes, reading his books, etc.
> 
> From message 59068 from Barry (TurquoiseB):
> 
> "Having practiced both styles of meditation, I can
> attest to the fact that using certain styles of focused
> or concentrative meditation, one can pretty much enter
> samadhi at will and have it last for twenty minutes,
> an hour, or several hours, with no thoughts present.
> For the dyed-in-the-wool TMer, convinced that the
> absence of thoughts indicates an absence of 'progress,'
> this might not be an admirable thing...."
> 
> Actually, this post from Barry (a former TM
> teacher) was in response to a post of yours,
> Jim.

yeah but I never said what he is alluding to, that an absence of 
thoughts is indicative of a lack of progress during TM. I'm not sure 
where he got the idea, but it wasn't from me.

In my reply above I was just agreeing with peter that I've not heard 
MMY say anything regarding this either.




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