--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_re...@...> wrote: > > Since it appears that JohnR is not going to > respond to my challenge with his analysis of > my friend's medical condition as indicated in > her Jyotish chart
Barry posted this only a little over 24 hours since he first proposed the test. And he said he'd wait until 7:00 p.m. EST to post the "answer." For all he knew, John was busy working on it, planning to post his results by Barry's original deadline. , and I want to finish up my > participation in all existing threads on FFL > before the new year starts, I will post the > answer. > > ( It goes without saying that any subsequent > attempts by JohnR or any other Jyotishi to > say, "Oh, I saw that in the chart, but I was > just late in posting my response" should be > greeted with howls of derisive laughter. :-) One is led to wonder whether Barry jumped the gun in posting his "answer" because he hoped to preclude any possibility of John getting it right *without* the answer being available. He set John up by giving him one deadline, then didn't honor it himself. Typical. <snip> > Below is the text I sent to the FFL moderators. > The only thing I changed in it was to delete > my friend's last name (for privacy For privacy? My, my. Barry spends a good part of the rest of his post (as well as a previous one) accusing me of mentioning privacy as "a bogus straw man" that I brought up only to "demonize" him, and makes much jolly ha-ha over how he fooled us into thinking there *was* a privacy issue. But here he himself acknowledges there is, in fact, a privacy issue. <snip> > Similarly, when Judy and Raunchydog accused me > of violating my friend's privacy by making her > medical condition public Barry's lying; neither of us ever accused him of violating his friend's privacy. I *asked* if he had her permission, to no response except an evasive and deceptive one; raunchy simply pointed out that *if* he had done so, he might be vulnerable to a lawsuit. > they were *looking for things to demonize me with* Actually, I was concerned about Barry's friend's privacy (just as he has now acknowledged he is). > and projecting them onto the situation in the > form of the bogus "privacy" straw man. The possibility that Barry was violating his friend's privacy is hardly a straw man. Barry himself clearly realized this after I pointed it out, and decided not to reveal her name after all. Please join me in laughing > at their attempts to portray me as a Bad Guy for > violating my friend's "medical privacy." It's > hard to *miss* the medical condition of someone > who is eight and a half months pregnant; keeping > it private is just not an option unless you are > wearing a tent. :-) More evidence of Barry's dishonesty. Not only was our concern entirely justified before we knew she wasn't ill, it's *still* justified. That she can't hide her late pregnancy from those who can *see* her doesn't mean she's willing to have it announced, along with her name, on a public forum. There are many possible reasons why a woman wouldn't want to spread the news of her pregnancy far and wide. > As noted > above, the only thing in it I have changed is to > delete my friend's last name out of concern that > one or more TBs here would start stalking her the > same way that they stalk me and Vaj and Paul Mason > and John Knapp and others who have dared to be > critical of TM or its ludicrous "extra added cost" > products like Jyotish. And Barry bashes me for "insinuating"! Just how thick can he layer on the hypocrisy? Nobody would have "stalked" her, of course. She has no involvement in this at all. That's a ridiculously paranoid notion, and Barry knows it. He came up with it in an attempt to cover up the reason he really deleted her name: because he belatedly realized it would be an invasion of her privacy to post it, just as I pointed out. I shouldn't have *had* to point it out, but once I had, the appropriate response from Barry would have been, "Yes, you're right; OK, I won't post her name." Instead, he tried to turn it into a weapon to bash me with. That's how much integrity Barry has. Oh, and by the way, we know now that he *didn't* have her permission to post her data with her name attached, despite his attempt to make it seem as though he had. (I'd be willing to bet a large sum that she doesn't know what he's doing even now.) > I still think that this would have been an > interesting test, if JohnR had had the cojones to > respond to it. But he didn't. Actually, for all Barry knew when he wrote this, it might well have been because Barry didn't give John the time to respond to it, moving up his deadline by almost six hours without even warning John he was doing so. I think that speaks for itself > about the depth of *his* belief in the accuracy and > efficacy of Jyotish. It may speak a lot more powerfully about Barry's fear that John might have gotten it right. > But the interesting test that DID take place was > how a few TM True Believers here responded to the > idea of Jyotish being put to the test. If John's > lack of a response speaks volumes, theirs fills > libraries. It's Barry's thoroughly, many-times-over dishonest response to our response that would fill libraries. It would be an interesting test, one I'd support, if the person conducting it were trustworthy, even if a strong skeptic and a TM critic--Curtis, for instance. The reason we objected to this one, as Barry knows, is because he's not to be trusted; he's proved himself a chronic liar hundreds of times over, and proved it again with all the lies he's spewed in connection with the test. <snip> > As I understand Jyotish, *if it works* John should > have no problem with noticing this medical > condition in her chart According to Bhairitu, it's not that easy. It's certainly not said to be easy in Western astrology. Oh, and one more thing to point out that's been overlooked: Barry's proposal, true to form, was deliberately misleading. Yes, pregnancy is a "medical condition," but we had been talking about detecting illness. An astrologer searching for signs of an illness might well completely overlook indicators of pregnancy. Barry hoped that would be enough to throw John off. In retrospect, I strongly suspect John sensed that there was deception involved and refused to allow himself to be played. Could be what Nabby and ed11 and raunchy and I sensed too, without realizing what the specifics were.
