--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On Jun 27, 2005, at 10:07 AM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >>
> >> On Jun 27, 2005, at 9:03 AM, sparaig wrote:
> >>
> >>> You have no idea what "accumulations of merit and wisdom" the
> > long-term
> >>> witnessing folk show.
> >>
> >> Then tell. I'm listening.
> >
> >
> > Researchers at MUM had subjects fill out various forms, and 
tested
> > their EEG and other physiological parameters and correlated test
> > scores with physiology measures and long-termness of TM practice.
> >
> 
> Oh yeah, heard plenty of stuff like this. I thought you meant 
something 
> new.
> 
> I see a number of problems with this approach--one is, 'is this a 
> random sample of meditators, either in general or in the long-term 
> group?'. Of course we know they are not being chosen by a unbiased 
> researcher. 

Oh yea, this from a guy that posts some California dude with his toy 
EEG machine showing his empty mind.


<<The other problem is that on ANYONE in the TM paradigm, 
> they have been indoctrinated that TM does this and good reporting 
would 
> be good, saying anything bad would be going against everything 
we/they 
> stand for. >>.

You must mean Dr. Lubimov, 30 years expert at Moscow institue and 
world expert in EEG. Yes, a real niave TM indoctrinated poor 
soul...right Vaj?


<<<Consequently these subjects well know that they should 
> report certain good experiences even cached in a certain wording. 
In  other words they been coached by the very nature paradigm to 
provide certain answers.>>>

This is a good point, but the self reports are minor secondary level 
evidence in these studies.




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