--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks Unc. I appreciate the clarification...
> > 
> > I'm not on your shit list now, by any chance, am I?
> > 
> > Snicker...
> 
> Never have been, man.  Really. 


Bull. Why bring it up at all if you didn't have some need to take potshots?

Certainly, if you felt a need to point out my failings, you could have either 
named me 
directly, or taken it to email. Instead, you refer to an anonymous third person 
who posted 
stuff.


And the story is worth repeating. People keep claiming erroneous and specious 
counters 
to the story (like Chandola was obviously a Maharishi-ite so Swami Shantananda 
was 
pandering to him, or that Swami Shantananada "owed" Maharishi so, in a private 
conversation with someone off-the-street who didn't know MMY from Adam (hence 
the 
question), he felt the need to build him up as much as he possibly could...


I merely point out their (and your) failings in your attempts to counter the 
story.

 I've just been
> trying to point out that you've essentially
> trotted out the exact same story maybe a dozen
> times here so far, with never any variation,
> and then 1) been seemingly offended that people
> don't immediately just say, "Oh, I see now...how
> could I possibly have been so deluded as to 
> doubt Maharishi," and 2) when this doesn't happen, 
> you just keep retelling the story as if, if you 
> repeat it often enough, they *will* say this.
> 
> As several have pointed out, *no* anecdotal story
> about Maharishi is going to change *anyone's* mind
> here.  Folks here, as far as I can tell, have been
> around the block a few times, and pretty much know
> what they think about things.  You're *not* going
> to change their minds.  And you're *certainly* not
> going to do it by repeating the same story you've
> now told hundreds of times (between here and a.m.t.),
> as if it were some kind of magic mantra that, at 
> one point, is going to "cure" everyone of their
> doubts.


People have a right to doubt MMY on many things, but they appear to illogically 
accept the 
counter to my story simply because it agrees with their biases, even though the 
counter is 
anonymous. Note that Dana Sawyer never interviewed Swami Shantananda, Swami 
Vishnudevananada (both disciples of Gurudev mentioned in his will) OR Swami 
Vasudevananda, even though he mentions he had an opportunity to interview the 
last, but 
decided not to because he didn't care to interview such a worthless person (or 
words to 
that effect). That shows bias on Sawyer's part, right there.

> 
> I've told you before, I *like* you, man.  But it's
> like you have a personal attachment to this story.

Of course I do.

> It *means* something to you, and you keep telling
> it and retelling it as if it should *mean* exactly
> the same thing to everyone in the world.  It doesn't.
> It never will.

It only doesn't mean something to those who have already made up their mind, 
based on 
3rd-hand interviews with people who weren't there, or were never disciples of 
Gurudev, or 
who became disciples of other people before they were interviewed (e.g. Swami 
Swaroopananda, who was following a different guru when he was picked, but who, 
interestingly enough, doesn't say much about his current guru, but says a lot 
about the 
guy he left in favor of his current guru).

> 
> I suspect people here *get* it that you like Maharishi
> and have a great deal of gratitude for all that TM
> has done for you.  Well, duh...so do *most* of the
> people here.  They feel that gratitude *simultaneously*
> to feeling doubts about him or confusion about some
> of the silly-ass things he's done and continues to do.
> And as far as I can tell, none of these people is 
> trying to "convert" you to their way of thinking.
> 
> On the other hand, by harping on this anecdotal story,
> over and over and over and over and over and over and...
> well, you get the picture, it very much seems that 
> you're trying to convert *them*.  Nobody like a 
> proselytute, man, no matter what they're proselytizing.
> 
> Get it yet?
> 


Since I'm a one-trick pony, why not move on?

> Unc




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