--- In [email protected], "dhamiltony2k5" <dhamiltony...@...> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Doug, in all honesty, I think you have been toking > > on the Maharishi Bong far too long. You make assump- > > tions about things that are not only unwarranted, > > they are far more offensive to thinking, feeling > > human beings than the behavior you find "offensive." > > > > Your position (if it isn't parody) is that of the > > classic religious fanatic and elitist. WE (the > > people who do what *I* say and who live the way > > *I* want them to live) live in a state of "Grace." > > Those who don't are "offenders" who require > > "judgment" and punishment if they won't do what > > *I* say. > > >"Marek Reavis" <reavismarek@> > >wrote: > > > > Most people who've been participants in the criminal justice > > system as defendants, have had pretty shitty lives, are used > > to be shit on, and frequently (and not surprisingly) have > > internalized all that shit and believe it to be true. They've > > been told that their whole lives and in the context of the > > criminal proceedings, the same message is being given. But I > > know that there is very little difference between them and me, > > and that difference I don't perceive as being that substantive. > > > >Attention is love. They feel that (even if they don't > >think about it that way) and they respond to it. > > > >With rare exceptions I really like my clients, regardless of what > >they've been accused of or what they've actually done. > > > Yeah, I don't necessarily like representing the TM T=B > view point here either but, I see the pure TMB'er > viewpoint is so readily attacked here yet so important > to the community as they say it. > > Under-represented, attacked and even hurt as they > occasionally try to come out in to public discourse here. > I feel for their plight. Theirs is incredibly utopian > and very possibly they have a version of a best solution > to many things human.
Doug, I "take on" their vision from time to time because it *IS* "utopian." It's not "real world." Furthermore, it *ignores* the real world, faking statistics and making claims that cannot be verified. The TM TB point of view *also* assumes a "coherence" in the "community" WHICH IS NOT PRESENT. Judy yesterday urged Mike to move to Fairfield and LIE. She urged him to keep silent and keep his thoughts to himself, and then he'd be safe from reprisals. This from the person who claims "I never lie." The *problem* with "utopian visions" is that they tend to be *imposed* on people, not agreed to by people. That is very much the situation in Fairfield, judging from the things that people have posted here. A *large* number of Fairfield residents who are considered to still be in the On The Program group LIE about what they do and what they think in order to be so considered. They go to see other spiritual teachers and then LIE about it to the TMO. They read Off The Program books and probably practice Off The Program techniques and then LIE about it the way Judy was advising Mike to do. If that's what you're hoping to "represent" in your little satires, I hope you understand when I react to the pretense and the hypocrisy of it as if it were real. If you've got other things to do, I understand and I wish you well with them. But you must understand that if you represent a point of view that I believe is a LIE, I will respond to the LIE, not to the pure intent of someone who just wanted it to be represented. The "utopian vision" of the TMO has *never worked out* in real life. THAT is the issue. The fact that so many continue to believe, despite the evidence of decades that someday it *will* work out is more "represent- ative" IMO of Maharishi's belief that "the idea is more important than the reality," the same belief that had him trying to convince countries to tear down their cities and rebuild them from the ground up for no other reason than because he said so. Utopias are called utopias because they are FICTION. Like Sir Thomas More's original novel, they are works of imagination, and works that often do not have a lot to do with how the *authors* of those works of fiction lead their lives. Sir Thomas More, for example, was so anti-Protestant that he *personally* burned many Protestants at the stake. THAT is the nature of "utopian" visions.
