--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_re...@...> wrote: > > Vaj wrote: I don't think most TM'ers or most meditators in any group have > been able to achieve the 'breathless' state which is indicative of Samadhi. > > > Vaj, > > Define "breathless." Seems to me that living is living, and that means some > use of ATP at the least. > > I'm guessing that "suspension of breath" merely means that the level of > bodily excitation is so low that oxygen is not being removed from the > bloodstream fast enough to justify inhalation "for the nonce." The body will > take another breath when it needs to. > > I personally love the concept of the bricked-up-in-a-cave yogi who is only > hanging out "by a thread." But, however slowly it may be, the yogi is still > processing and using oxygen. > > I like your stages of consciousness concepts, because I can, as if, see the > rate-of-oxidation spectrum they comprise. > > But, is that the whole truth? Do you think there's some sort of miraculous > oxygenless format of some stage of consciousness that would be eternal -- > that is, the bricked yogi never takes another breath? > > Does God breathe astral oxygen? Does prana have any utility in Vicuntha? > > Edg >
My understanding of the "breathless" state is that there is no breathing at all. Of course, this cannot continue indefinitely as you would die. I think it was David Blane (not sure on spelling), the magician, ( who seems to me to be someone who has remarkable control over the body) who managed to hold his breath underwater for 17 minutes or thereabouts. . Divers and yogis use certain techniques to increase the ability to breath hold. Practice. And then before a big breath hold, first you do a slow and steady filling of the lungs, then exhalations to purge CO2 and then a final series of quick gulps of air. Most people can learn to hold their breath for 2 or 3 minutes pretty easily, but you shouldn't if you have ventricular abnormalities.
