On May 31, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Randy Meltzer wrote:

--- In [email protected], "emptybill" <emptyb...@...> wrote:
Hey empty bill

Thanks for your words of encouragement. I have already had a previous run in with Mr. Vaj. When I said in a previous post that as far as I am concerned, I have experienced pretty much everything Maharishi promised that I would, Mr. Vaj could not accept that and said that I only think I have experienced something, but in fact he was arguing that in his mind I really have not. The arrogance was sickening. How can Vaj know what you or I or anyone for that matter have experienced.

I think we've had this discussion before R. And as before I'll tell you reread what I had said. "I'm glad it works for you and it's great that you enjoy your experiences--and no you're not first person to acknowledge problems, nor will you be the last." I don't know what else you want me to say. It's useless to say anything if people don't want to hear.

I get a kick out of the Empty Bill anti-Vaj posts, he's very creative in his mixture or lies and facts. Hopefully you can spot the lies. He's been on a vendetta ever since I nailed him on some BS he was pulling.

I don't have a problem with him or anyone else being anti TM or antiMaharishi. To each his own. But I do have problem when someone invalidates me with no basis of anything to invalidate on.

Any comments Vaj?

Just see the above.

I find it interesting the need for people to demonize others when a controversial topic comes up. You never know exactly what will hit the nerve of certain people. Apparently finding out their tradition is not Shaivite is one of them--although I have to admit, I was shocked when I had found I had been mislead, as it was a misunderstanding I once held as well. This is actually an old topic here, at one time we had a number of people who had had the same experience. But I suspect the openmindedness of the Smartas does appeal to many people, so that's the up side of all this IMO.

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