--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On Jul 8, 2005, at 12:51 AM, Jeff Fischer wrote:
> 
> > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >> --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >> [...]
> >>> Scientologists take note....
> >>
> >> An equal opportunity insult...
> >
> > Yeah, I feel honored to be included in Vaj's 1.1 comment.
> 
> Just an observation really--some groups foster reliance on the 
> organization rather than independence and personal autonomy.

In the TM case, there's a presumption that intellectual involvement 
in evaluating one's own technique is detrimental to the practice of 
hte technique so one doesn't check oneself.

The original studies to examine the occurance of transcendental 
consciousness during TM required meditators to ring a bell when they 
noted an episode of TC. This was deemed too intrusive and 
intellectually involving *by TM researchers themselves* so the 
experimentally procedures have been changed to minimalize such 
involvement/intrusion because might interfere with figuring out what 
TC really is, physiologically speaking.

In other words, the TM technique, checking procedures, AND the 
experimental techniques to study the TM technique are quite 
consistent with the theory that MMY uses to explain TM, so even 
though you object to everything about TM, there's no contradiction or 
room for criticism from this perspective, no matter how much you wish 
there was.

[yes, been getting enough sleep lately, and took an adderal on the 
weekend for the first time in months, so my thoughts are rather more 
coherent than usual, sorry if this makes you feel uncomfortable]






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