--- In [email protected], "Patrick Gillam" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Premanand Paul Mason wrote:
> > 
> > So the assumption that by transcending 
> > one becomes incapable of error 
> > of judgement is non-science
> 
> Right. Assumption *is* non-science. But there's plenty 
> of science available on which to base understandings.
> 
> I'm thinking of the five or six studies the Nidiches 
> published in peer-reviewed journals (I believe they 
> were) demonstrating that TMers score higher on tests 
> of moral development than did people who studied 
> for the tests.
> 
> > and we ought 
> > to rely on better methods to 
> > determine whether we are right or not. 
> 
> Better methods such as the studies cited above?
> 
> > Else we become fundamentalists 
> > who can do and say nothing that is out of key.
> 
> Fairifield Life has done a pretty thorough job of 
> investigating TMers' True Beliefs and exploding 
> the fundamentalism in them. That's one reason 
> I'm here. But we've yet to really lift a finger when 
> it comes to examing the scientific studies. 
> 
> Every now and then someone ways "that sample 
> size was too small" or "I know a researcher who 
> fudged the statistics on that study," but in my time 
> here we haven't posted a study or a link to a study 
> and deconstructed it the way we do each other's opinions.
> 
> There are rationale reasons to tie improved social 
> behavior to growth of consciousness, and there is a 
> fair body of research on TM and social behavior. I'm 
> not willing to toss it all out because True Believers 
> participated in the research. But neither am I in a 
> position to review and evaluate the research. So I ask 
> these questions to see what others have to say.
> 

I've made it a hobby for 30 years to read and analyze the TM research 
(as best I can with my limited math background --who the hell is 
Jenkins, and what is he doing in a box?).

The physiological stuff has gotten quite sophisticated. The Ayurvedic 
research is getting pretty mature, also. ME stuff isn't studied any 
more, AFAIK. 




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