--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <lengli...@...> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Lynch reportedly told MMy that he wasn't getting many donors 
> > > for his foundation because the price was too high, so MMY told 
> > > him to talk to Hagelin about setting a lower price.
> > > 
> > > The upshot is that schools, or large segments thereof, can 
> > > learn TM for $600 a head.
> > 
> > While I still believe that this price is 10X too
> > high, given the current "market price" for meditation
> > instruction in America, I praise David Lynch both for
> > his dedication and for his efforts to make TM more
> > affordable. My conversations a few years ago with
> > the woman who was his long-time personal secretary
> > convinced me that he is a good-hearted person, and
> > I have no doubts that he is trying everything he can
> > to help make something he feels is valuable more
> > available to young people. It's just a shame that he
> > has to fight the organization that provides that
> > "something valuable" to achieve his laudable good
> > intentions.
> 
> Keep in mind that Lynch is a TBer like myself who believes that
> TM is unique or durned close to it. While I wouldn't be surprised
> if various non-TM teachers offer TM-like techniques to their
> students. the quality control just isn't there. Radically 
> different techniques go by the same name.
> 
> What is bothersome, even telling, is that many of you former TBers
> are confident that its all the same, despite the obvious physiological
> evidence to the contrary (not to mention common sense understanding
> of how TM differs from most run-of-the-mill mantra meditation that 
> *I* have heard of).
> 
> This criticism is directed at many former TM teachers on this group,
> who appear to have missed things the entire time they were 
> parroting MMY's words. Which suggests that MMY's words aren't 
> as good as they could be, I guess.

Or that they were lies. Or, more kind, hopeful
fantasies on his part. I can agree with the 
kinder interpretation for some of his claims, 
but not all. Some were knowing lies. The person
who sat there on the stage looking out at the
rows of twitching, spasming, out-of-control
meditators in Fiuggi and still claimed that TM
could not possibly have any negative effects 
was definitely lying.

But the bottom line is that my experience learn-
ing, practicing, and teaching both TM and other 
techniques of meditation is that Maharishi's 
claims to: 1) the uniqueness of TM, 2) the effect-
iveness of its "followup," 3) the "differences"
between the supposed positive effects of TM and
the positive effects of other techniques, and
most importantly 4) what it is *worth* in the
marketplace are at best mistaken and are at 
worst knowing lies.

When you have had the same experience learning,
practicing, and teaching both TM and some other
technique of meditation, then you are qualified
to criticize me. Until then, you are still in
the position of being a person who has tried 
only one technique of meditation in his life, 
has practiced *it* sporadically, has never taught 
it or been trained to teach it, and has never 
learned, practiced or taught any of the other 
techniques you still believe TM is "superior" to.

In other words, Get real.



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