--- In [email protected], Vaj <vajradh...@...> wrote: > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:55 AM, sparaig wrote: > > >> At the Harvard conference on meditation last month, Herbert Benson > >> listed 8 meditation techniques that have the same physiological > >> signature: > >> > >> Vipassana Meditation > >> Mantra Meditation > >> Mindfulness Meditation > >> Transcendental Meditation > >> Breath Focus > >> Kripalu Yoga > >> Kundalini Yoga > >> Repetitive Prayer > >> > >> So much for "uniqueness", huh? > >> > >> The uniqueness lie is a marketing myth used by disreputable and > >> biased TM researchers to push their product. Apparently they're the > >> only ones who believe this. Other researchers know better than to > >> accept such BS. The independent research "Meditation: In Search of a > >> Unique Effect" put this and a number of other TM research untruths to > >> rest way back in the 80's! > >> > > > > So, by physiological signature, he was discussing breath suspension > > of up to 1 minute, 5x during a 10 minute meditation period? > > > > Where's the research to back this up? > > > I don't believe any of them consider these TM-induced apneas > significant.
Well Benson is the one claiming that TM's physiological signature is the same as the RR, not I. You keep bringing this up again and again, like you're > still having a hard time letting go of this. It's an interesting > chosen artifact, but that's about it. Experientially, from my own > experience of breath cessation during TM, it does not represent > anything worthwhile. I'd agree with Austin on this, at best it > represents the shallow preludes of samadhi. You think its supposed to be something special? Something striking? Something NOTEWORTHY!!!??? Earth to Vaj: if its a sign of samadhi, you won't even notice it. > > Reductions in metabolic rate however, as recorded by Benson of 60 > some per cent is very significant--the highest drop ever recorded in > humans. > Interesting stuff. But, has he replicated it back at Harvard, especially with non-monks? L.
