Edg, have you ever done any *globe trotting*? Ever been to India or China? How about Mexico city? If you had, you'll notice the filth and pollution is many times greater than the worst polluted cities in the US. Why? because these countries don't have an economy that allows them to clean up their streets let alone a toxic waist dump or the air they breath. Nobody wants to live in a garbage dump, breath nasty air or drink and bath in filthy water. However, as long as we have a healthy prosperous economy we can do whatever it takes to clean up our environment and develop new ways of preventing pollution in the first place. Look at what we have accomplished here in the US and then compare that to the newly developing countries mentioned above. We don't need to *de-industrialize* in order to clean up pollution, just modernize and develop newer technologies that advance our civilization and economies.
--- On Thu, 6/11/09, Duveyoung <[email protected]> wrote: From: Duveyoung <[email protected]> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul on Global Warming To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 4:14 PM Mike, Okay, I'll just say it yet again: it's not about the warming, it's about the pollution. If the warming concept is wrong, doesn't matter, addressing the warming concept entails addressing the pollution concept. I mean, what's not understood about, say, acid-rain? What's not understood about the hole in the ozone layer? What's not understood about 30,000 toxic dump sites leaching their poisons into the American water supply? What's not understood about 25% of L..A. smog is Chinese soot? What's not understood about that Texas sized garbage pile in the ocean? If we try to control "global warming," we have to be targeting pollution. If we have to suffer the fact that profiteers will find ways to suck at the public tit when we try to address pollution, so be it, we'll always have bastards like that finding niches. Morally, I see no difference between the Japanese whale killers and the Chinese smoke stacks. No difference between the torturers in Guantanamo and the American cigarette manufacturers. No difference between the Navy's underwater sonar "sound bombs that make whales' ears actually bleed" and the use of Agent Orange. And on and on. If we wrote up a precise plan to stop global warming, it would be virtually identical with the plan to stop pollution. To waste time blathering about if or if not the warming concept is valid is like letting the whalers keep harpooning while they do everything they can to keep the debate going lest it stop and they are forbidden to hunt any whale for scientific reasons. The debate about warming effectively delays the start of work on pollution. That's what you're doing Mike. You're helping profiteers with their killing the world, face it. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon <mdixon.6569@ ...> wrote: > > No Vaj, it's not something I've *realized* or believe. What I do believe is, > that the* man made global warming* issue is nothing more than a power grab by > politicians. > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Vaj <vajradhatu@ ...> wrote: > > > From: Vaj <vajradhatu@ ...> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul on Global Warming > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 3:20 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 11, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: > > > > > > Shemp, notice how Vaj is trying to marginalize you, the same, as if you were > a holocaust denier. Vaj, really, more and more scientists are jumping off the > man made global warming band wagon as they take a look at the studies and > question the political motivations involved. A tanked economy isn't going to > be helpful for cleaning up our environment or providing funding for > scientific research on anything. > > Of course you do realize, since we have now entered Extinction-6, one of the > major extinction phases of sentient life on this planet, that Global Climate > Change will, in effect, make the Holocaust of WW II look like a blip on the > screen of loss of human and sentient life? That's not in any way meant to > trivialize the Holocaust, it's just to put into perspective what the > right-wing blue memers are in fact denying, all for a quick, short-sighted > buck. > > > BTW, I am not a supporter of cap and trade legislation. Personally I'd like > to see a Green marketplace based on American technology, creating jobs and > solutions, all assisted through tax incentives to consumers, manufacturers > and entrepreneurs. >
